So about this Talos guy...

Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:50 am

Jyggalag DLC, sounds like they should do that, let the Dragonborn help the prince of Order build a realm, and as Talos became a god after bringing back an old god, so to could the Dragonborn become a new Daedric prince (or become a god).

Jyggie as his stepping stone to God hood.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:02 pm

There's an in-game book, I think it's the one behind the bar in Riverwood's tavern, that speculates he achieved godhood by devouring dragon souls.

There are few dragons about during Tiber Septim his time, and absolutely no evidence he even killed one of them. So this is incredibly unlikely. It also conflicts with more likely theories like the Arcturian herrasy.


Jyggalag DLC, sounds like they should do that, let the Dragonborn help the prince of Order build a realm, and as Talos became a god after bringing back an old god, so to could the Dragonborn become a new Daedric prince (or become a god).

Jyggie as his stepping stone to God hood.

The CoC already "mantled" Sheogorath or at least become part of Sheogorath's divinity, I don't think we'll see something like that happen again this soon after the last time.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:33 am

Champion of Cryodill doesnt die. You can meet him in Skyrim...though he/she is much more Scottish/Irish...and crazy :biggrin:

And Talos...we conquered all of Tamriel and created the first empire, he's a boss.

Actually It was the Third Empire!
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:09 pm

There's an in-game book, I think it's the one behind the bar in Riverwood's tavern, that speculates he achieved godhood by devouring dragon souls.

I don't remember any stories about Tiber Septim killing any dragons.
That's because there weren't any back then idiot, there coming back for the first time in like... forever.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:25 am

I have to admit that I stopped playing Oblivion soon after started, found it far too dull and cartoonish for my taste. Care to elaborate?


Martin was in the process of doing a ritual to open the way to Cameron's Paradise to reclaim the Amulet of Kings. The Ritual required a Dadera artifact but also needed the blood of a Nine Divine. The only Divine that quailifed was Talos. You were sent off to a dungeon to claim Talos's armor and Martin used a scraping from that armor to help finish the ritual. This is clear proof that Talos IS a Divine, without his blood the portal would not open and if Talos was not a Divine the portal would not open.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:34 pm

Well, you're more like a Daedra than an Aedra. Aedra don't directly intervene or play a role in the affairs of mortal life. Daedra do. Thats why I agree that Talos should be banned. He became an emperor what more does he want. He may be revered in the eyes of his followers, but his made enemies everywhere, especially in the factions that he conquered. He'll never be worshiped by all.

-Aedra do intervene directly and play a role in the affairs of mortals.
There are for instance three aedric avatars you can meet in Morrowind.
-Tiber Septim is not Talos.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:58 am

I'd like to note that Talos is not an aedra. Talos didn't cut parts of himself off to make the world.

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And it's quite possible that dovahkiin will take Talos's place.

The ghost of Old Hroldan recognizes you as Hjalti. Hjalti Early-Beard was Tiber's original name.
The greybeards recognize you as Ysmir, as they also recognized Tiber as Ysmir.
Dovahkiin fights for the maintaining of the world in the same way Talos does.
Tullius bears a strong resemblence to Zurin Arctus in mannerism.
Ulfric bears a strong resemblence to Wulfharth in mannerism.
So you have all three parts of Talos being represented in Skyrim.

All Dovahkiin needs is a creation event(Numidium's creation in Tiber's time) and a betrayal(Wulfharth and Zurin's betrayal in Tiber's time) to solidify the similarities.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:06 am

I'd like to note that Talos is not an aedra. Talos didn't cut parts of himself off to make the world.

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And it's quite possible that dovahkiin will take Talos's place.

The ghost of Old Hroldan recognizes you as Hjalti. Hjalti Early-Beard was Tiber's original name.
The greybeards recognize you as Ysmir, as they also recognized Tiber as Ysmir.
Dovahkiin fights for the maintaining of the world in the same way Talos does.
Tullius bears a strong resemblence to Zurin Arctus in mannerism.
Ulfric bears a strong resemblence to Wulfharth in mannerism.
So you have all three parts of Talos being represented in Skyrim.

All Dovahkiin needs is a creation event(Numidium's creation in Tiber's time) and a betrayal(Wulfharth and Zurin's betrayal in Tiber's time) to solidify the similarities.

It is indeed entirely likely that the hero of Skyrim is a Shezarrine.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:03 pm

Oh and getting history confused on which of the three is which couldn't hurt too.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:44 am

Talos was a hero and the Thalmor want to make him disappear. Hope we get a DLC where we can kick more of their ass.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:49 am

*SPOILER*alduin is just a *SPOILER* really powerful *SPOILER!* dragon, not a *SPOILER* god *SPOILER*, he can't eat the world*SPOILER*

actually, he used to be able to eat the world...Akatosh created him to be the World-Eater, but Alduin had a superiority complex and betrayed his 'dad' so his 'dad' took away his World-Eater status (one of the reasons for Talos I believe). If Alduin is allowed to rebuild his old power, he might be able to eat the world again...
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:06 am

I'd like to note that Talos is not an aedra. Talos didn't cut parts of himself off to make the world.

Spoiler
And it's quite possible that dovahkiin will take Talos's place.

The ghost of Old Hroldan recognizes you as Hjalti. Hjalti Early-Beard was Tiber's original name.
The greybeards recognize you as Ysmir, as they also recognized Tiber as Ysmir.
Dovahkiin fights for the maintaining of the world in the same way Talos does.
Tullius bears a strong resemblence to Zurin Arctus in mannerism.
Ulfric bears a strong resemblence to Wulfharth in mannerism.
So you have all three parts of Talos being represented in Skyrim.

All Dovahkiin needs is a creation event(Numidium's creation in Tiber's time) and a betrayal(Wulfharth and Zurin's betrayal in Tiber's time) to solidify the similarities.

mind = blown
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:03 am

He's a frigging Divine. Why else could you call on his power and receive his blessings?
A man who place many regions at war under one banner is either a genius or a master warlord. Talos was both.
He reminds me of Sigmar.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:02 pm

The idea of a person ascending to godhood has a precedent in Dungeons and Dragons (in the Forgotten Realms). A woman named Midnight ascended to be the new Mystra, goddess of Magic when the original Mystra was destroyed by another god. And that was a major goddess whose form was inextricably woven into the fabric of the world. Indeed that was why there had to be a new goddess (or god).

So within a fantasy environment such as Tamriel/Skyrim, I see nothing odd about the idea of some great hero (or here a Julius Caesar type) or both ascending. In D&D you have some idea if this has happened if the new god has priests which can cast spells. But of course here in Skyrim, anyone can cast spells so that really doesn't prove anything. There are talos shrines which work, but we don't know how shrines function so we don't know how much this proves either.

As I've said before, I think the Thalmor are only trying to destabilize Skyrim. They don't care if Talos is a god or not.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:26 am

As I've said before, I think the Thalmor are only trying to destabilize Skyrim. They don't care if Talos is a god or not.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride quite a bit.(It's the second section there.) The destabilization is just an added bonus.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:49 pm

So I'm still wondering what is so great about Talos that he had to be made a god.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:36 am

So I'm still wondering what is so great about Talos that he had to be made a god.

You need to read up on your lore :0
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:31 pm



You need to read up on your lore :0

Point me to the UESP article and I'll read it.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:03 am

So I'm still wondering what is so great about Talos that he had to be made a god.

It is not what they did, it is what it represented in the great scheme of things.
If you look at the Aurbis as a Mandelbrot wheel, if you see how each action of the greaters is mirrored by the lower, how the story of Talos is the same as the story of Creation, you will begin to understand why he is important.
Talos is like a load bearing wall that only got built after the house already stood.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/battle-sancre-tor
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/arcturian-heresy-0
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/remanada-chapter-1-sancre-tor-and-birth-reman
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:39 am

I don't think anyone is that amazing, and he probably isn't a god, after all.

I think the dovahkiin might be another incarnation of the same being, of sorts. And not a god either. Maybe the blessing bestowed or spirit fueling them is godly however.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:42 pm

I don't think anyone is that amazing, and he probably isn't a god, after all.

I think the dovahkiin might be another incarnation of the same being, of sorts. And not a god either. Maybe the blessing bestowed or spirit fueling them is godly however.

As I have explained profusely above, Talos is a divine.
The Dovakhiin is likely a shezarrine, but that is another story.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:47 am

As I have explained profusely above, Talos is a divine.
The Dovakhiin is likely a shezarrine, but that is another story.

I find the whole thing fishy. Emperors in the real world used to be declared divine after their deaths too. Some even while living, like in China or Japan. It's all b.s. though. It's not like anyone ever witnesses a celestial ceremony, where the other 8 crown Talos a divine. It's sound more like a well wishing created by mortals who admired the man. Or something they didn't quite understand, and jumped to conclusions, based on conjecture. He was definitely powerful, but maybe they jumped the gun in their confusion, trying to make sense of his power. He might have just been a powerful agent of divine powers. Think of the Silver Surfer - he was bestowed with the Power Cosmic, the same power Galactus, his creator, wielded. But he wasn't Galactus himself. He was like the "mini-me" of Galactus. lol. Maybe Talos is like that. Still immortal, still powerful, but not quite a supreme of the universe either.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:15 pm

I find the whole thing fishy. Emperors in the real world used to be declared divine after their deaths too. Some even while living, like in China or Japan. It's all b.s. though. It's not like anyone ever witnesses a celestial ceremony, where the other 8 crown Talos a divine. It's sound more like a well wishing created by mortals who admired the man. Or something they didn't quite understand, and jumped to conclusions, based on conjecture. He was definitely powerful, but maybe they jumped the gun in their confusion, trying to make sense of his power. He might have just been a powerful agent of divine powers. Think of the Silver Surfer - he was bestowed with the Power Cosmic, the same power Galactus, his creator, wielded. But he wasn't Galactus himself. He was like the "mini-me" of Galactus. lol. Maybe Talos is like that. Still immortal, still powerful, but not quite a supreme of the universe either.

Oh yes, I thought the exact same thing when I was first introduced to TES. 'Emperors becoming gods, yeah right, I smell bs'.

But you have to understand, this is not a mathematical, physical universe. TES takes place in a mythical universe, the kind our remote ancestors dreamed of before we invented things that told us what is what.
Belief is a very important factor in a mythical universe, the process of mythopoesis ensures that what people believe becomes reality, more or less, for one.
It is a geocentric universe with Nirn firmly at the middle and all the stars, planets and even the sun going around it. It is literally the centre of creation. The sun isnt even a glowing ball of gas its a literal hole in the sky to the realm of magic.

When coming into the TES universe you have to let your scientific mind go. Things do not work because of logic or reason or natural laws, blast, the natural laws themselves are dead gods.

It is a mythical universe, not a scientific one and the power of belief, the power of story is the most important thing.

When you examine the mythical construct as I have tried to explain in my previous posts you will see how important Talos is to 'the story' and that is all that matters, as 'the story' in a very real sense is reality.
The moons are the body of a dead god. A god that still meddles as 'even dead gods can dream'. All normal rules are off here, what counts is only what makes sense in our heart of hearts, in the emotional and subjective way we viewed the universe in the dream-time of our species.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:45 pm

Damn the Arcturian Heresey just makes Tiber an ass.

I guess I stills don't understand it that well but us coming together.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:51 pm



I don't remember any stories about Tiber Septim killing any dragons.
That's because there weren't any back then idiot, there coming back for the first time in like... forever.
Well, there were a few dragons, but Tiber didn't necessarily have an adversarial relationship with them. One even served as a mercenary in his army in Hammerfell.
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