So about this Talos guy...

Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:54 pm

Meeting Talos in a game would probably make me care about him more than just reading about him, though. Plus, if his official accomplishments surpass everything the main protagonists of the last three Elder Scrolls games did/can do, then I might feel less overlooked :3

I think he might be much closer than you think he is.

The first time he became known, he was a Dragonborn who united Tamriel.
Fast forward a few (lot) centuries, another Dragonborn appears, and saves the world from the worldeater, Alduin.

What makes you think those 2 were actually different people, and not incarnations of the same Aedra, aka Talos? (or maybe even Akatosh himself)

Also, for the fans of conspiracy theories: Do you detect the similarities between http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpazedZiTw1qbr16po1_500.jpg and http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7FpLtpB7AYs/TtOKFfuad2I/AAAAAAAAA1M/Ev49ZeTfeD0/s1600/Skyrim+Logo.jpg?
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:38 pm

The Nerevarine also met Talos, he even got some money from him.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:37 pm

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It is, in fact, a popular joke on the lore forum.
Like the one where you connect any movie star to any other in under five films.
Everyone is Lorkhan.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:32 pm

So in TES III what was all the fuss about the Talos cult and Tiber Septim? -Aside from replacing the current emperor with a more original Septim. There was quite an interesting but pointed note in the secret room in Gnisis baracks. And the officer definatly wanted Talos Cultists all dead. (I'm not challenging, just wondering.)
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:07 pm

The Champion of Cyrodiil became Sheogorath, so is now immortal :P
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:37 pm

As others have pointed out the Champion became the new Sheogorath. Good thing as half a dozen daerdra probably had a claim on hi soul.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:20 pm

*SNIPPITY SNIP*
Don't mind a few spoiler slips here and there but that was pretty harsh Mr. Viking..

Thanks man :confused:
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:30 pm

So in TES III what was all the fuss about the Talos cult and Tiber Septim? -Aside from replacing the current emperor with a more original Septim. There was quite an interesting but pointed note in the secret room in Gnisis baracks. And the officer definatly wanted Talos Cultists all dead. (I'm not challenging, just wondering.)

Yes, but that ended there.
It seems like history would have that that plan was thwarted.
If the Nerevarine did it or not is unknown, but fact is that there was no assasination attempt.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:50 am

Oh yes, I thought the exact same thing when I was first introduced to TES. 'Emperors becoming gods, yeah right, I smell bs'.

But you have to understand, this is not a mathematical, physical universe. TES takes place in a mythical universe, the kind our remote ancestors dreamed of before we invented things that told us what is what.
Belief is a very important factor in a mythical universe, the process of mythopoesis ensures that what people believe becomes reality, more or less, for one.
It is a geocentric universe with Nirn firmly at the middle and all the stars, planets and even the sun going around it. It is literally the centre of creation. The sun isnt even a glowing ball of gas its a literal hole in the sky to the realm of magic.

When coming into the TES universe you have to let your scientific mind go. Things do not work because of logic or reason or natural laws, blast, the natural laws themselves are dead gods.

It is a mythical universe, not a scientific one and the power of belief, the power of story is the most important thing.

When you examine the mythical construct as I have tried to explain in my previous posts you will see how important Talos is to 'the story' and that is all that matters, as 'the story' in a very real sense is reality.
The moons are the body of a dead god. A god that still meddles as 'even dead gods can dream'. All normal rules are off here, what counts is only what makes sense in our heart of hearts, in the emotional and subjective way we viewed the universe in the dream-time of our species.

Fair enough. I'm probably approaching the setting a bit too scientifically. Can't help it. heh

That said, I thought my Talos as Silver Surfer example was clever. Shucks. ;)
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:20 am

well actually the champion of cyrodiil became sheogorath so its not all that different than talos becoming a god
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:14 pm

Wait? ... you do encounter him on Morrowind?

HOW?
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:18 pm

Wait? ... you do encounter him on Morrowind?

HOW?

It's been awhile but you basically go through the main quest and when you have to go through the ghosgate and confront Dagoth Ur he will be standing outside as an NPC named Wulf.

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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:59 pm



actually, he used to be able to eat the world...Akatosh created him to be the World-Eater, but Alduin had a superiority complex and betrayed his 'dad' so his 'dad' took away his World-Eater status (one of the reasons for Talos I believe). If Alduin is allowed to rebuild his old power, he might be able to eat the world again...

I don't think Alduin will return in the same form since he died in a world where the dead go.
Alduin lost his world-eater status because he wanted to be a ruler rather than fulfilling his destiny. The Dragonborn on the other hand stopped him, ended the civil war and did not try to become the next ruler of Skyrim (Stormcloak or Empire victory doesn't matter). Maybe our hero will initiate the next kulpa? After all, the Champion of Cyrodiil faught a daedric lord and ended up as the incarnation of the mad man. The Nerevarine went to Akavir, we don't know more. But since MW, the heroes had a destiny to fulfil after the game took place.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:55 pm

There are few dragons about during Tiber Septim his time, and absolutely no evidence he even killed one of them. So this is incredibly unlikely. It also conflicts with more likely theories like the Arcturian herrasy.
The book is called There Be Dragons and does call this a far-fetched theory. It's probably meant to suggest to the player that the Dragonborn is an avatar of Talos.

There is some confusion over when the last dragon was killed. It seems the last few vanished all at once. Some tales speak of a dragon king who devoured all of them rather than let manking kill them. One of the more far-fetched stories has Tiber Septim absorbing their essences when he ascended to godhood. Although the exact cause is unknown, they are all gone. No dragon has been seen for centuries. There are a few known examples of dragon bones fused with the stone and rocks of cliffs and cave. Just enough proof to make the stories undeniable.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:00 am

Yeah, he did create the third empire, but it may aswell be the first. Nobody gives a damn about the first two, really.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:08 am

Yeah, he did create the third empire, but it may aswell be the first. Nobody gives a damn about the first two, really.

I wouldnt say that.
Especially the first Empire, the Alessian Empire, was very important to the future of Tamriel and the great works they achieved still influence the world today.
When the Selectives danced on the tower and broke the dragon they created Akatosh.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:58 am



I wouldnt say that.
Especially the first Empire, the Alessian Empire, was very important to the future of Tamriel and the great works they achieved still influence the world today.
When the Selectives danced on the tower and broke the dragon they created Akatosh.

I know the Alessian empire beat down the Aeylieds but what's this about selective dancing?
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:27 pm

I know the Alessian empire beat down the Aeylieds but what's this about selective dancing?

The Marukhati Selectives. A subsect of the Alessian Order, who caused a great dragonbreak lasting 1008 years in an attempt to remove merish influences from Auri-El in order to create a god suitable for the empire, Akatosh. Also referred to as the Middle Dawn.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Break
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alessian_Order
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Where_Were_You_..._Dragon_Broke
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Dragon_Break_Re-Examined
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/vehks-book-hours-concerning-dragon-break
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:29 am

Oh, so they were trying to make a better god. I remember that didn't go down too well for another race.
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