[Gavin Roberts]

Please first allow me to warn you about my post (and apologize by the way) : it is useless and hopeless and nothing new will come out of it. But you know (well you don't actually), that's one of my numerous defects : when I'm really, really, really angry, I just cannot let it go. Things are to get out in a more or less violent way.
Well ID Software now...I'm an old man, 40. And I've played a lot of ID's stuff. Always with great and primal pleasure. The problem with their last..."game" is that I've not even been given the chance to play it. You can think I'm just a morron, and you must be right. So let me reassure you : I bought the game (even pre ordered it), installed it on my PC, activated my key on Steam, etc. Well I did my modest job. Even since the release, I just can't play the game for the same reasons of many of us (ATI 6870, Win 7 32, blah, blah...).
So, some people here, far more gifted than me, keep telling us that "NO, it is not Id's fault, it's just crappy drivers from ATI, because, you know, this is the most perfect game, the most tested game, the most stable game, the most bugless game, und so weiter...And, after all, ID are geniuses. The proof is that AMD admitted the fact : they are the ones to be blamed!!!". So please, tell me guys, cause I'm the slow type : when am I supposed to laugh?
As a customer, when I buy a game, I want to be able to play it. And, for the last 2 decades, RAGE is the first and only game that never worked on one my PC, despite all the advice I followed on numerous topics. You can blame AMD all you want, it is not AMD that selled me the game. I bought it from ID (well, I summerize...). Why all the other games work on my PC? Is it not the same GC? Please, don't tell me about the specific libraries used for the game and not supported by the ATI, I'm sick and tired of these arguments... Like all studios, ID made the game regarding the existing harware and software, didn't they? Are they really let AMD work on their own on new drivers, because "it's their fault" (that's pathetic, every new driver get things worse for me)? The simple truth is that ID are letting us down and they don't seem to give a f. Okay, I must admit that the price I paid may not even buy the cigarette lighter on Carmack's Type 41. Am I over-reacting? F, yeah!

Some people (and I hate them!) say that the end of PC gaming is nigh. Well I'm sad and angry to see that one of the seminal game producers on PC is digging the grave...

Sorry too for my bad english and enjoy the game if you have the chance to run it, or if you're computer engineer...

Fred aka bobfish

[Chris Cross Cabaret Man]

No problem bobfish, let your anger flag fly. And by no means am I trying to force this into a constructive thread but if you're willing can you tell us what your system specs are, what you've tried, and what is happening when you try to play? I seem to hear more problems with the 6xxx series than others and I'm on the 5xxx series but it's weird and my game is working fine. i had more problems caused by underspec computer (upgraded) than with the video drivers.

[naana]

Hi, that's very kind of you! I must confess that i've lost all hope...Well my specs are Windows 7 32 bits, i7 2600K on a GB Z68XP-UD3P, ATI 6870 1Go, 4 Go DDR3 10700 CAS 9 from Corsair. I've been succeeding lauching the game (I tried so many drivers that I must confess I forgot which one I used...) with graphics as they should be but it crashes every time I get out of the buggy at Dan Hagar's place. Now I'm on Catalyst 11.12, not optimized for Rage : the game could be playable and doesn't crash but graphics are just psychedelic : popping textures, mixed-up textures...I tried many options suggested on the web but none worked. Maybe I didn't do the right things...

[Nadia Nad]

It's funny how they post so much about Skyrim and how they plan on fixing it, but dropped Rage less than a month after release. No talk of Patchs or Updates. No talk of DLC or Creation Kits.

When I'm pleased with a game I'll get it on PC and one of my consoles. Rage/ID support failed!

Q: Fallout New Vegas Ultimate edition is coming out, do you think they will fix the bugs brought on by Lonesome Road?

A: If you look at the Oblivion 5 Collectors
edition release, no patch followed to fix the bugs that were left in for years.

I totally agree with youre rant!

[Johanna Van Drunick]

From what I've read id is still waiting on ATI/AMD to get there act together with there driver before releasing a patch, probably the same with a DLC & editor..

Edit: try this: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1329232-amd-catalyst%e2%84%a2-121a-preview-driver/ if you haven't already.

[Samantha hulme]

Thank you TheWolf, I've tried it. I guess I should try to work on config files one more time. But I don't know which driver I must choose before performing it...

[Erich Lendermon]

One advice:
If possible, get rid of your Win 7 32 bits and get the 64 bits version.
The 32 bit version might make sense on old hardware for upgrading, it doesn't on newer hardware that is capable of running 64 bit Operating Systems.

The 32 bits version is HEAVILY limited in memory addressing which will result in problems with memory demanding games and buggy and unreliable drivers.
You're hardware should work flawlessly with the 64 bit version. There is no reason at all to use 32 bit Windows 7.

The memory addressing range is limited to 4GB at 32 bits.
Windows uses virtual memory, in other words: it can address way more than the installed physical memory which will immediately result in out of memory errors, blue screens and freezes in conjunction with graphics card drivers which try to reserve more memory than Windows 32 can handle.
32bits is outdated. Change your Windows Version.

[Kevin S]

At this point I wouldn't count on AMD spending much of their time worrying about this game. AMD doesn't support OpenGL or Physx, whatever it is that is supposed to make this game so graphically amazing, for a reason. Maybe its technical or financial, who knows or who cares. As of ten weeks the game has only sold like 225k units on the PC, which is absolutely dismal. I think its safe to assume that AMD will not find this worth the time or money to commit people to build a generalyl stable driver.

This has reached the point where ID just needs to release on the patch even if its only really been tested on Nvidia. Then offer support and a work around for their AMD customers. But that probably would be expecting to much from them. Since they offered very little support to their customers on launch. All of the solutions came from community members and trial and error. They can sit back and lay the blame on AMD all they want, it doesn't exonerate them from being almost non-existent in the past 3 months. I am getting the impression that they may be looking for jobs if Doom doesn't do well. A 6 year development cycle (and likely an expensive one) for only about 2 million units across 3 platforms doesn't look good at all.

They really dropped the ball on this game, in terms of providing a product that stands out against the other shooters out there. G4 made an accusation about content being cut out of the game based on how quickly the second act just ends abruptly with a 20 second movie and no further explanation in order to have DLC to sell. I'm starting to wonder if this was the case.

[Hannah Barnard]

Blaming id or Carmack is like yelling at the waitress because the cook is drunk. Every single AAA title released this fall has had serious driver issues from both AMD and Nvidia despite the fact there are only a half dozen of them and there can't be a dozen big selling titles a year. Since AMD and Nvidia don't really have any competition they might as well be the drunk cook in the kitchen having a good laugh watching you yell at the waitress.

[jesse villaneda]

Blaming id or Carmack is like yelling at the waitress because the cook is drunk. Every single AAA title released this fall has had serious driver issues from both AMD and Nvidia despite the fact there are only a half dozen of them and there can't be a dozen big selling titles a year. Since AMD and Nvidia don't really have any competition they might as well be the drunk cook in the kitchen having a good laugh watching you yell at the waitress.

Right!

In France, we have this law, HADOPI, which is simply iniquitous, unfair. This law is supposed to protect the rights of artists and creators from pirates. I am Okay with that, really. The problem with this law is that the citizen's rights are put aside so that the artists may have their income untouched (this has still to be proved, whatever...). As a customer, I think I have the right to buy a functionnal product. It might be my only right in fact.

I don't deny the fact that developing a game is a demanding and hard job. On the contrary. But if you release a game that does not run on half the PC, something is rotten in the state of Danemark. Blame only Bethesda so? No, both of them. One more time, Nvidia and AMD did not sell me the game. I don't say you are wrong about GC builders, I agree with you : numbers of games have issues when they are released. But the developers give us patches within a week. I hardly admit the fact but as I love gaming...

If the game is not working on such an number of PC, well don't release it. It cost billions dollars and years of development ? So sorry guys...

To summerize, with this game and the laws in my country (like all western countries by the way), I can only buy (with my hard-earned money from a [censored] job) a game I can't play, despite my little efforts to fix things on my PC.

Really? Don't you see there is something wrong with it? Definitly yes my friend, I have the feeling to be crooked by the drunken cook...

...And the waitress spat in my brew!

Cheers!

[Louise Lowe]

Please first allow me to warn you about my post (and apologize by the way) : it is useless and hopeless and nothing new will come out of it. But you know (well you don't actually), that's one of my numerous defects : when I'm really, really, really angry, I just cannot let it go. Things are to get out in a more or less violent way.
Well ID Software now...I'm an old man, 40. And I've played a lot of ID's stuff. Always with great and primal pleasure. The problem with their last..."game" is that I've not even been given the chance to play it. You can think I'm just a morron, and you must be right. So let me reassure you : I bought the game (even pre ordered it), installed it on my PC, activated my key on Steam, etc. Well I did my modest job. Even since the release, I just can't play the game for the same reasons of many of us (ATI 6870, Win 7 32, blah, blah...).
So, some people here, far more gifted than me, keep telling us that "NO, it is not Id's fault, it's just crappy drivers from ATI, because, you know, this is the most perfect game, the most tested game, the most stable game, the most bugless game, und so weiter...And, after all, ID are geniuses. The proof is that AMD admitted the fact : they are the ones to be blamed!!!". So please, tell me guys, cause I'm the slow type : when am I supposed to laugh?
As a customer, when I buy a game, I want to be able to play it. And, for the last 2 decades, RAGE is the first and only game that never worked on one my PC, despite all the advice I followed on numerous topics. You can blame AMD all you want, it is not AMD that selled me the game. I bought it from ID (well, I summerize...). Why all the other games work on my PC? Is it not the same GC? Please, don't tell me about the specific libraries used for the game and not supported by the ATI, I'm sick and tired of these arguments... Like all studios, ID made the game regarding the existing harware and software, didn't they? Are they really let AMD work on their own on new drivers, because "it's their fault" (that's pathetic, every new driver get things worse for me)? The simple truth is that ID are letting us down and they don't seem to give a f. Okay, I must admit that the price I paid may not even buy the cigarette lighter on Carmack's Type 41. Am I over-reacting? F, yeah!

Some people (and I hate them!) say that the end of PC gaming is nigh. Well I'm sad and angry to see that one of the seminal game producers on PC is digging the grave...

Sorry too for my bad english and enjoy the game if you have the chance to run it, or if you're computer engineer...

Fred aka bobfish

PCs aren't consoles.

But it's exactly what Carmack is pushing for so many years, letting developers access to the hardware on PCs as much as on consoles, that means developers can optimize game and fix stuff them selfs. Either way your anger is driected to, factually it's not ID's fault, it's still the driver faul and only driver, The Rage's software is the most tested game ever in terms of software bugs in sense of code stability in-game , Carmack said it him self, they treated "warnings as errors" in static code anolysis, that is pretty strict. The static code anolysis company that sold a license to IDSoftware, a license that costs like 50.000 $ for the program, when they ran a demo the company said that ID Software has a "very high-quality code base".

The PC GPUs just work in this way that drivers are needed, and it doesn't matter how bugless the game for it self is, it still depends on the driver. The driver is old/unfinished/buggy/lacking and the game's ahead, it's simple, it won't work good, and it's not the game's fault and ID knows it and everyone at bethesda knows it but what can they do, they can't turn PC into console, nobody would like that, Developers just need more access to PC hardware and games would have ran so much better because a dveloper invests his time and effort into a single product so it works the best, while a single company can't handle all of the other games and a single company who doesn't even understand the game's and doesn't have access to it's source code nor "how things are done" ... which is what ID Software is doing now, helping AMD , but this type of "fixing through communication" is time consuming and less effective obviously.

Consoles would have been scrap metal if if wasn't for the ability to program games with full access to the hardware. That's why you have good looking games on ancient hardware.

[LuCY sCoTT]

Blaming id or Carmack is like yelling at the waitress because the cook is drunk. Every single AAA title released this fall has had serious driver issues from both AMD and Nvidia despite the fact there are only a half dozen of them and there can't be a dozen big selling titles a year. Since AMD and Nvidia don't really have any competition they might as well be the drunk cook in the kitchen having a good laugh watching you yell at the waitress.

No other games have OpenGL, Rage's issues are purely attributed to OpenGL drivers from AMD, nvidia's aren't perfect either. All other AAA games you mentioned use DirectX. Totally separate driver sets.

[Danial Zachery]

No other games have OpenGL, Rage's issues are purely attributed to OpenGL drivers from AMD, nvidia's aren't perfect either. All other AAA games you mentioned use DirectX. Totally separate driver sets.

My point was that if they can't get the drivers right DirectX games which are 95% of all games its understandable that AMD totally dropped the ball with Rage which isn't even DirectX.

[Lizs]

One more time, Nvidia and AMD did not sell me the game. I don't say you are wrong about GC builders, I agree with you : numbers of games have issues when they are released. But the developers give us patches within a week. I hardly admit the fact but as I love gaming...

You still don't get it. There is nothing wrong with Rage and if you can't play it on your computer its because your computer is defective! Id doesn't sell the drivers, they don't fix the drivers, and they aren't responsible for you computer being a mess. Your computer is the problem and if you feel like throwing it out the window I understand completely.

[Chloe Botham]

Wuliheron go troll another thread.

This game has failed! Nothing you say will alleviate this sore from any video gamers mind. There is no one to blame but ID and Bethesda.

Extensive testing should have been done prior to release with released public drivers. If ID would have of come forward and stated there were problems with Rage and they would push back PC release date back 6 months. I would understand and respect their honesty.

Telling people to throw their PC's out a window us not a solution.

Oh I have Nvidia by the way....Rage is a fun and great game if u can deal with all the problems. I really saw potential.

The only thing that hurt this game, was the manner it was released and received by the community. DOA (Dead on Arrival)

[Je suis]

You still don't get it. There is nothing wrong with Rage and if you can't play it on your computer its because your computer is defective! Id doesn't sell the drivers, they don't fix the drivers, and they aren't responsible for you computer being a mess. Your computer is the problem and if you feel like throwing it out the window I understand completely.

Thank you! That's a relief. Your last post made me understand that you don't mean what you write.

So I'd like to assume my computer is a mess but my brain is still functionnal.

Right.

Let me congratulate you for your computer is obviously in perfect shape...

@xxxdkmodexxx : I give an A+
@StahlFaustus : Thanks. I 've been thinking of it, yes...I must say I was a bit lazy but I'll give it a try. You're absolutely right!

[gemma king]

Wuliheron go troll another thread.

This game has failed! Nothing you say will alleviate this sore from any video gamers mind. There is no one to blame but ID and Bethesda.

Extensive testing should have been done prior to release with released public drivers. If ID would have of come forward and stated there were problems with Rage and they would push back PC release date back 6 months. I would understand and respect their honesty.

Telling people to throw their PC's out a window us not a solution.

Oh I have Nvidia by the way....Rage is a fun and great game if u can deal with all the problems. I really saw potential.

The only thing that hurt this game, was the manner it was released and received by the community. DOA (Dead on Arrival)

So I'm a toll for stating the fact that Nvidia and AMD own the drivers and are the only ones who can fix them and have screwed up every driver for every AAA released this fall. Next you'll be arguing the telephone book is a communist plot.

Nvidia and AMD might as well be sleeping in the same beds with these AAA developers. They make their living selling graphics cards just for playing these games, pay developers money to make these games, lend them technical expertise, and even advertise for them and brag about the different advantages of their cards for each game. AMD's newest video cards even have hardware acceleration for Rage's megatextures despite the game just now being released. You can bet your last dollar AMD gave id the all clear to release Rage only to realize they were in over their heads. If Rage were a buggy game I'd give id just as much of the blame, but the fact is its one of least buggy games I've played in a long time and AMD deserves the lion's share of the blame for not producing a decent driver in 3 months and even falling flat on their faces with the first driver by using outdated code. For a multi-billion dollar corporation they've embarrassed themselves in front of the entire IT industry and if they don't get it together soon nobody will be able to take them seriously when it comes to openGL drivers.

[CxvIII]

@wuliheron : wow...you were serious after all. I know that everything i would say cannot make you understand. But I will try anyway. We do not talk about the same things : why should we separate the act of making a game and the act of selling the game? They are part of the same process, from the creation to the retailer. When someone writes a book and tries to sell it to editors, he wants to be read and to make money out of it. And I don't think that G R R Martin would be pleased and never say a word if half his "Game of Thrones" were printed with invisible ink. Even if he gets money from them............Wait a minute!!!! That reminds me of something...

But the drivers are made by AMD an NVIDIA, yeaaaaah, sure...

[Nadia Nad]

@wuliheron : wow...you were serious after all. I know that everything i would say cannot make you understand. But I will try anyway. We do not talk about the same things : why should we separate the act of making a game and the act of selling the game? They are part of the same process, from the creation to the retailer. When someone writes a book and tries to sell it to editors, he wants to be read and to make money out of it. And I don't think that G R R Martin would be pleased and never say a word if half his "Game of Thrones" were printed with invisible ink. Even if he gets money from them............Wait a minute!!!! That reminds me of something...

But the drivers are made by AMD an NVIDIA, yeaaaaah, sure...

Right.... and I suppose you'll argue next that id is being irresponsible by not waiting to release Rage before it could run on Intel integrated graphics or Linux. Id did their part and Rage has had far fewer problems with Nvidia graphics cards which make up some 80% of all PC gaming rigs. Like I said, AMD better get its act together or PC gamers will take this as a serious sign they simply don't have what it takes to play certain games. This has been a horrible year for AMD with the flop known as "Bulldozer" and now they are even being sued for selling defective chips. I want to see the only competition for Intel and Nvidia succeed, but they're making it awfully difficult to support them.

[Mari martnez Martinez]

So I'm a toll for stating the fact that Nvidia and AMD own the drivers and are the only ones who can fix them and have screwed up every driver for every AAA released this fall. Next you'll be arguing the telephone book is a communist plot.

Nvidia and AMD might as well be sleeping in the same beds with these AAA developers. They make their living selling graphics cards just for playing these games, pay developers money to make these games, lend them technical expertise, and even advertise for them and brag about the different advantages of their cards for each game. AMD's newest video cards even have hardware acceleration for Rage's megatextures despite the game just now being released. You can bet your last dollar AMD gave id the all clear to release Rage only to realize they were in over their heads. If Rage were a buggy game I'd give id just as much of the blame, but the fact is its one of least buggy games I've played in a long time and AMD deserves the lion's share of the blame for not producing a decent driver in 3 months and even falling flat on their faces with the first driver by using outdated code. For a multi-billion dollar corporation they've embarrassed themselves in front of the entire IT industry and if they don't get it together soon nobody will be able to take them seriously when it comes to openGL drivers.

Id does deserve some blame. If we accept they could have not anticipated problems with AMD drivers (Which I still find hard to believe considering that ATI has never really supported OpenGL, which is their decision). Then they should have stepped up and took the helm and did everything to help the AMD base to resolve the issue. For all intents and purposes the response amounted to "its AMD's fault its out of our hands." For some that is apparently okay, to me is not acceptable. I was unable to play my game for a week after buying it. I received no support from Id to deal with this. By working with other community members I found a weak work around that at least got the game working; although still unplayable due to a horrible glare. Through three more weeks of trial and error by me, not Id or not AMD I found a work around that essentially got the game working as it was intended. I posit that this is the experience of a lot of people here.

Yet, a lot of people here seem to be just fine with all of the excuses. By comparison I have had a problem getting every single one of Blizzard's games to work on my computers over the years, ever since I started playing Diablo. Whether it be a hardware issue, or conflicts with 3rd party software. Every time Blizzard has offered me excellent support, step by step to get every game working. I expected the same here and got excuses on Twitter.

It reflects on the games poor sales. Now Id is still waiting on drivers that are not coming. Because frankly its not in AMD's interest in bothering much with this game. The 5 million plus copies of Skyrim can account for that. So maybe we should be asking Id how long are they going to wait to release more content, or more PC support through a patch. If I remember correctly not much has been said since the beginning of November. This is why Id failed, in my opinion.

[ImmaTakeYour]

Id does deserve some blame.

It reflects on the games poor sales. Now Id is still waiting on drivers that are not coming. Because frankly its not in AMD's interest in bothering much with this game. The 5 million plus copies of Skyrim can account for that. So maybe we should be asking Id how long are they going to wait to release more content, or more PC support through a patch. If I remember correctly not much has been said since the beginning of November. This is why Id failed, in my opinion.

Skyrim is already the 9th best selling PC game in history and not to be compared with your average video game. Rage sold reasonably well on consoles despite mixed reviews and its only the PC that has been a complete disaster. Like I said, its the most bug free and rock solid game I've played in years and there's nothing wrong with the game itself. The problem is the drivers and I've already come across several people online who say they'll never buy another AMD video card again.

That's not to say id is completely blameless in this mess, but they've been working with Nvidia and AMD on improving the drivers from day one and Nvidia's drivers were largely straightened out within the first month or so which is normal. The worst problems experienced by the largest number of people have all been due to AMD's drivers and after 3 months they still haven't fixed them. Expecting id to release a DLC or even a patch when AMD has proven so incompetent at fixing their drivers is insane. Along the lines of insisting id should pile more wood on the fire before they get it under control.

[Marcus Jordan]

"Angry & Useless Thread," these are all angry and useless posts.

@ksb1082, bobfish, Rage works and it works fine. Game has fewer bugs than a bar of soap in a pool of acid.
The drivers were the problem. The game has not been put through severe modification of any sort, you run the same game that released.

What has been changed? The drivers. Bingo.

The product shipped just fine, rather the batteries were crap. IdSoftware don't make those batteries.

[Ana]

"Angry & Useless Thread," these are all angry and useless posts.

@ksb1082, bobfish, Rage works and it works fine. Game has fewer bugs than a bar of soap in a pool of acid.
The drivers were the problem. The game has not been put through severe modification of any sort, you run the same game that released.

What has been changed? The drivers. Bingo.

The product shipped just fine, rather the batteries were crap. IdSoftware don't make those batteries.

Id doesn't even a choice who to buy the batteries from.

[Kaley X]

Blaming id or Carmack is like yelling at the waitress because the cook is drunk. Every single AAA title released this fall has had serious driver issues from both AMD and Nvidia despite the fact there are only a half dozen of them and there can't be a dozen big selling titles a year. Since AMD and Nvidia don't really have any competition they might as well be the drunk cook in the kitchen having a good laugh watching you yell at the waitress.

No it isn't, since the waitress in this anology is Bethesda (the one who delivers to customers, but doens't make) and the cook is id Software.

Id doesn't even a choice who to buy the batteries from.

But they should've bloody test the batteries, before release because half the customers use them.

No guys, no-no-no-no-no. You may come up with whatever flimsy justification you like, but it'll be flimsy anyway, because the bloody game is out for three months already and all we've seen is one little patch that ADDS GRAPHIC OPTIONS. There may be problems during the game's launch days, but if the problems aren't solved three months later, the devs are just being dikes.

[Mariana]

Right.... and I suppose you'll argue next that id is being irresponsible by not waiting to release Rage before it could run on Intel integrated graphics or Linux...

How clever! That reminds me the guy who told me that computers are not consoles...No kidding? Guys, stop despising people even if you think you're a genius, or if you work at id or Bethesda...

I think I have nothing more to say because everything has been said before.

@Vynzent: warned you, it is indeed a useless and angry post...

Bye guys.