I can list all current offline rpg franchise, but none have a world as large

tes 3-4-5 (morrowind, oblivion, skyrim)
gothic 1-2-3
two world 1, 2
dragon age 1, 2
witcher 1,2
diablo I, II, III (not first person)
divinity 1, 2 (not first person)
dungeon siege 1, 2, 3 (not first person)
might and margic: dark messiah

I m sure there are a few more, or some mixed genre like mount & blade
but that cover the most popular

I didn t list fallout because it s sci fy, not fantasy
(same thing for mass effect, kotor (star wars) and so on)

anyway, honestly, skyrim is the hottest lattest trend ...
I don t think you want to step down from that pedestal ...
would be impossible for me to go back to older games

maybe because I play a sort of scout that keep exploring
and have fun not getting caught and reaching impossible places
skyrim is sort of verry large .... that s good for my playstyle

I play all RPG games, my favorite genre. And no other modern game gives the RP experience of ES games, if looked at as a single player tabletop-esque medium. ERPGs are the only other contemporary game makers that try to come close. And now that Beth owns Fallout, along with the death of Bioware? Its their game to muck up. The indies and other RPGs try to contend, but they don't offer the same representation.

In principle of course I agree with you. But if you re-read his post you will see he is saying the game is a fail...not just that he doesnt like it....and that those who like it are fan-boyz....etc. So in his case my reply was fair; I think.

Lol, what are you talking about?
Which game tries to "mimic" TES, and who is failing?

Get off these forums. Now.

Graphics aren't everything, my dears.

Are you stuck with one preset character in all of the Gothic games, including Risen?

If you don't mind really old graphics (1993), Betrayal at Krondor was my favorite game for like 10 years. It was the first 3D open world RPG, I believe. It was the first game I played where you had to sleep not to heal but just because you got tired. You had to eat every day and your food could spoil. It was the first game I played where you had to repair your weapons. The story is great and the characters in your party come and go, like in a book. The people at Bioware said they were inspired by it, and many other games were too.

If you search around it's free to download now too.

There are some good Open world RPG's out there.....But Bethesda does them best. You wont really find Stuff of Elder Scrolls and Fallout quality out there.
Well at least until Fallout 4 and The Elder Scrolls VI: Summerset Isles.

Yup. But the main character actually has a role in the story, like Shepard in the Mass Effect series. TES doesn't really do that, instead making you (the player) the main character.

Also the player character in Gothic 1,2,3 is just cool. Love that voice (in german) and how you can speak to other people.

If you knew about RPGs, you'd know what I was talking about.

Gothic series, Risen, STALKER games.

Really, I don't know what similarities you mean. Freedom and story are what I like the most about Skyrim. Terraria and Minecraft would be better for that though.

There's always Disgaea 4 for the sheer amount of stuff it has.

EDIT: There are some fairly open roguelikes like "3069" (yes, its name is a number) and "ADOM" (Ancient Domains of Mystery) and even Dwarf Fortress (Legendary game)

I'm not taking a side here, but it's really bad form to pop into a thread and state strong, controversial opinions and then refuse to back them up. Just sayin'.

Read my posts, then his, then my rebuke. I'm not here to inform newbs (that's gonna lose me favor). I mention what RPGs I'm talking about (Euro) in my first post, not my fault he doesn't know any (which is even weirder since he mentions some above). In his response to me, I didn't like his tone, so I came off as snarky.

The Euro RPG companies have been trying to mimic the west for decades now. A good majority of the ERPGs try to do the ES thing, Gothic, Two Worlds, etc. Compared to ES, they fail. Especially the later Gothics.

Also, I know you, and you know me. A Conqueror by any other name.

Gothic came out before Morrowind and is nothing like Arena/Daggerfall, the only TES games at the time.

Daggerfall is like the later ES games. Gothic is like a linear ES. Therefore, your statement/logic is flawed. Euro companies have been trying to mimic ES for years. The more Gothics that released, the more ES like they tried to be, culminating into the POS that was Risen. The Euro companies try, and they fail. But, the Euro's should be given credit for even trying, since the rest of the dev World usually doesn't.

I have played more RPGs than most people here, and no I don't know, what you are talking about.
And as long as you are not able to get specific, your posts are pretty useless.



Besides the fact, that Bethesda did NOT invent that genre and games like Gothic are different in many ways (and definetly not mimicing TES), I can't see how someone would call Gothic a "fail" and Oblivion/Skyrim not.

None of those games is perfect, but Gothic 2 for example got a lot of (important) things right, where TES sadly fails.
Exploration and character leveling made sense in that game.



Also Gothic 1,2,3 are absolutely not linear.
And your other statement is wrong as well. Gothic4 for example actually became rather linear and even less similar to TES.

Btw. have you even played those games?
Your comments give me the strong impression, that you haven't.

KOA Reckoning is the only game that's like Skyrim and it might be better then Skyrim at least in certain areas.

Fix'd for you.

Such a load of crap.

The only Gothic game that tried to be TES like in any way was three. Funnily enough, despite it's flaws.. it did a better job than any TES game yet of your actions affecting the world. They are all also arguably as non-linear as TES games, and they sure have always had beter characters, npc lives, and story interaction.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

How the hell is Risen "TES like"? It's a small, tight world and story, and was designed that way..it all takes place on a small island.

It sounds like you haven't actually played any of them.

have you tried Mabingoi http://www.mabinogi.nexon.net (does this mean we can no longer make links that are hidden behind words ?)

You people talking about third person ruining immersion are [censored] weird.


You can get an animation mod.