you know, in regards to Anakin being the Chosen one:

I'm strictly going off of what I see in the films, I'm not familiar with the extended universe lore. They say he'll bring balance to the force.

uhhh, okay? what balance?

at the beginning of Phantom Menace it's pretty clear that there isn't much of a rift in the force. As Mace Windu points out, the Sith had not been seen for over a millenium. Now before you go into the presence of Darth Sidious and Maul:

yes, they're sith in hiding, and their about to expose themselves. that being said, had Anakin not gotten involved Sidious probably would've had a few problems to deal with. The entire Jedi order would've eventually figured out what was going on. Maul was killed, and still probablyh woudl've been killed, Dooku would've been killed as well, and Sidious would eventually be jumped by entire order. It was because of Anakin that Sidious survived his encounter with Windu.

Furthermore, What balance are they talking about? Qui-Gon assumes Anakin is the chosen one BEFORE he senses Darth Maul. this would imply that there's some other issue going on in the force that the movies never bothered to point out.

What about the separatists? what about them? they're nothing, the Jedi can dispose of them like nothing, they don't need Anakin for that.

as much as I like Qui-Gon, it's pretty apparent that he's an idiot. He's basically responsible for harboring the ambitions of one of the galaxy's most feared Siths alliances. Had he just freed Anakin, and then scramed without him the war may not have started, or at least not escelated to its ultimately conclusion.

Palpatine's plan was going according to plan without Anakin. In fact, it would have probably ended up going more smoothly, considering the only reason the Jedi Order learned that Palpatine is a Sith is because Anakin told them.

I got the impression from the last film that Anakin ratting him out to the Jedi was all according to Palpy's plan, to force a confrontation with the Jedi, and thereby force Anakin to pick a side. He played Anakin like a fiddle.

When he killed Palpatine he allowed balance to come. Balance doesn't mean just Jedi as much as it means just Sith, one cannot exist without the other. Darth Sidious through manipulation, corruption and subtly caused the near extinction of the Jedi, quite brilliantly I have to say, which caused an imbalance. Vader killing Palpatine brought balance because it allowed the Jedi to be reborn and grow again.

What's also interesting is that by killing his master, Vader became the master. He continued the legacy of the Rule of Two, admittedly not in the way that Darth Bane would have intended.

It was already known that Darth Maul survived way before the Clone Wars series. Even Palpatine comes back eventually. In the Books and the comics there is a lot of things that happen. I personally like to see it incorporated into the series.

Well I guess we just have to agree to disagree, I know what you're saying. The way I see it darth maul is like a puppy raised by michael vick I don't see him as such a bad guy but more deserving of pity while the jedi are just as underhanded and manipulative as the sith perhaps even more so.

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What anikan asked is like equivilant of saying 'are you my new dad?' he's a child that doesn't know how to fend or care for himself while qui-gon is a cult member.. its not up for him to let anakin into the order, he can't tell him that he might have to throw him to the sand people because he only expected the jedi might take him because anakin fit their racial profiling of a high midiclorian count.


Yes, the thing of it is though obi-wan gets back to republic space explains to the council that qui-gon being incredible seedy wins a child slave as a gambling debt (incredibly seedy)
the council ignores entirely there is a slavery problem and informs obi that the child is too old for their manipulative cult mind control training to work but he begs them pretty please, so the council being a religious cult does what a religious cult does and takes qui-gons new possession (a slave) and gives control of him to obi wan to brain wash.
Fast forward a few years the council totally ignores the slavery problem on tattooine anakins mother remains a slave there till shes traded. they could have sent jedi back later to stop the slavery or informed the republic to help them with the problem but they did nothing but acquire a new slave.

The way I see Darth Maul(I have no idea how this veered onto him) is as the only apprentice of Darth Sidious' who actually understood the Sith ideals. It seems to me that you don't really like Star Wars.

Finally watched the first 3 episodes in these past 3 days. Episode 1 was kinda terrible (too much jar jar binks), but I enjoyed Ep 2 and Ep3 (especially the latter).

The Jedi way of life seems unnecessary restrictive. The Siths' way is too authoritarian.

I also couldn't understand why Anakin did what he did to the Jedis and then joined with Sidious. It just didn't seem plausible to me, like he was persuaded very easily. The scene after Samuel L Jackson is thrown off the tower and Anakin calls Sidious his new master felt very contrived.

Damn I missed the episode - don't watch the show that often.
How often does Cartoon network do re-runs

Also, the animated show makes Anakin Skywalker seem like the prototypical good guy in every way, when in Episode 2 and 3, he was pretty dark and messed up.

I said this on page two or something. Of course, my comment was completely ignored. I cited Dark Forces though as one of the Sith from the games was cut in half by Katarn but the guy came back in a later installment of the game with a robotic bottom half that allowed him to float. Everyone is up in arms over something that has been in the lore for quite a long time.

Hell, I think General Rom Mohc even returned at some point even though Katarn destroyed him, the phase III exosuit and the Arc Hammer.

Well, in the official script(The scene was scrapped from the movies due to time issues) had it that Anakin was a member of the Council but not a Jedi Master. And to access the holocrons in the vault, he had to be a Jedi Master. He wanted to get to the vaults to find ancient knowledge in how to save people from death. Since he was not granted such title, he resorted to believing in Sidious and turning into the Dark Side after he heard the story of Darth Plagueis. And it was easier for him since he flirted with the Dark Side numerous times(When he killed the Tusken raiders is one of them)

From the book:
"In fact, he hadn't killed the Jedi to serve Sidious, though Sidious was only meant to believe just that. In his arrogance Sidious was unaware that Anakin had seen through him. Had the Sith Lord thought he would simply shrug off the fact that, from the start, Sidious had been manipulating Anakin and the war?
No, he hadn't killed the Jedi in service to Sidious, or, for that matter, to demonstrate his allegiance to the Order of the Sith.

He had executed Sidious's command because the Jedi would never have understood Anakin's decision to sacrifice Mace and the rest in order that Padme might survive the tragic death she suffered in Anakin's visions. More important, the Jedi would have attempted to stand in the way of the decisions he and Padme would have needed to make regarding the fate of the Galaxy.

Beginning with the assassination of Sidious.

Even if he had killed Sidious , even if he had won the war single-handedly for the republic, the Jedi would have fought him to the bitter end. They might even insisted on taking custody of his and Padme's child, for their offspring would have been powerful in the Force indeed. Perhaps beyond measure! If only the High Council Masters hadn't been so set in their ways, so deceived by thier own pride, they would have grasped that the Jedi needed to be brought down. Like the Republic itself, their Order had grown stale, self-serving, corrupt. And yet, if the High Council had seen fit to recognize his power, had granted him the status of Master, perhaps he could have abided by their continued existence. But to call him the Chosen One only to hold him back; to lie to him and expect him to lie for them... What had they imagined the outcome would be?

He understood now why they had discouraged use of the dark side. Because they had feared losing the power base they enjoyed, even though enslavement to attachment was what had helped pull down the Sith! The Jedi had been conspirators in their own downfall, complicit in the reemergence of the dark side, and as important to its victory as Sidious had been."

As for the movie, yes, the Mace Windu scene was far too rushed in my opinion.

I see. Thanks for posting the excerpt.

he could have easily stayed with his mother

you completely ignored the part saying that abolishing slavery on tatooine would cause catastrophic changes but still continued arguing differenet points about it
and it doesn't matter that qui-gon wasn't in republic space, it matters that tatooine was not in republic space, er-go, exactly why the republic can't do anything about it, if they did then i bet i'd see you calling the republic oppressive war mongerers, and the very fact that the jedi do not force the non-slavery ideals on tatooine is exactly why they are not what you call them, if they had forced the non-slavery ideals on tatooine then they would be evil manipulative conquerors like your trying to pin them out to be

anakin's greatest strength was his arrogance not his power of the force, he never realized becoming a jedi master was about more then your midichlorian count but his actual experience, understanding, and wisdom. to give him the rank of jedi master would have only fueled the spoiled nature he gained becoming a jedi

I was actually quoting the book on the point of view of Darth Vader. What you say now is your point of view.

i couldn't tell how much was from the book because you bolded everything instead of using quote tags

I suppose the color threw people off a bit. The quotes are definetly there.

He didn't have a choice about his ideals, he was robbed from the cradle and forced into his role.

I don't know why you'd think I don't like Star Wars, I may not be the biggest fan and I would rather sit on the internet and go into a rant about how I would rather be tortured in graphic description despite my pleas to stop than watch episode 1 again because of jar-jar. But even binks wasn't enough to make me dislike Star Wars.
I can try to talk about something I like about star wars I guess.
How about them mandalorians? they sure like to uhm... lose.

Aren't only the movies considered to be canon?

I want to rewatch those episodes.

But i can't find a complete set.

CGI is crap indeed with its simplistic thinking of good and evil and the good guys always win tedium.

Also the Jedi always creeped me out, taking kids who are to young to know what they really want to become and teach them to become powerful with their force vpowers that could cause alot of damage and teach them the ways of combat at a young age.

Also Jedi being wise....they have such a simplistic view of black and white morality...its apalling.

No. Anythinf that has been "approved" by Lucas to be printed and aired is considered canon which means the Holiday Special from 1978 is also canon; qhich by all accounts was by far the worst representation of Star Wars ever conceived by Lucas and most fans wish it never happened.

I agree. It's more for the kiddies on the morality thing. Though there was an episode called "Heroes on Both sides" which explained each party in the war had their own point of view, and that none of them were "evil" for "evil's" sake.

Though the last episode of this season was pretty good. I totally knew Darth Maul would kill those children ever since I saw the previews. Yep, ruthless Sith at his finest. And this episode Obi-Wan and that bald chick, Ventress, retreated and escaped. They practically lost the fight between Maul and Opress. Though I wished Ventress died. I don't like the new direction their taking her.

I like the rebuilt Darth Maul. Aside from the fact that his new appearance is a clear homage to his non-canon Star Wars: Visionaries appearance, I was pleasantly surprised to see he still relied heavily on kicking people when fighting. It did seem odd to see him using a single-bladed lightsaber though.

Does that mean all books, games and tv shows are canon?

Pretty much. I don't agree with all of it, but some of it pretty cool.