That part I missed. He fights Darth Tyranus, then?

Speaking of all these characters fighting, I always thought Anakin and Obi-Wan missed out on the story last season. When Ventress and Savage were fighting against Dooku, they practically showed up at the end of the fight, not even knowing the two most wanted individuals in the galaxy was in the same ship as they were.

thats what my coworker told me*shurg
now maul himself is the coolest guy in the story

Hmmm, I wonder how someone could like Jar Jar.

Because he is pretty much the definition of an Epic Fail.

He improved in Episodes 2 and 3.

Yeah, only slightly. I only wanted him to die slightly less in Episode II And III than I did in Episode I. But I still didn't want him to live.

That's only because he had less screentime.

So, how does he poop if he is eating small critters?

very carefully

I remember when I first saw the 1st film in the trilogy in the theater and how bad I felt for Ewan McGregor. After having seen him in films like Trainspotting and Shallow Grave, to see him mostly standing around saying things like "Yes Master" or whatever made me wince. Luckily his role improved in the other two films, and I do think he did as good a job as he could, given the material.

I like the fact that Daniel Logan is voicing Boba Fett. He played Boba in Attack of the Clones, and he returns for a third time in the series. Bossk and Dengar are in it too. He better kick some ass, since all he did last season was blow up an entire Republic cruiser and put a bomb in Mace Windu's quarter chamber.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ZRiUc5SWU

Boba kicks ass.

I remember something about a spikier Maul with robo-goat-legs fighting Obi on Tatooine, though I could be wrong. I haven't payed much attention to Star Wars in a long time.

I hope he does some damage since he's practically following Jango's footsteps.

And the Maul vs Ben on Tatooine was non-canon. Meaning it never was counted as "fact" in Star Wars continuity.

Yeah, I figured as much. It was still an interesting scenario, though.

Needs 50% more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSQ2NaLiII&feature=related. Not the new sissy lame Mandalorians either.

I very much disagree. The Jedi are the most destabalizing unethical force in the universe. They practice eugenics collecting anyone of sufficient midiclorian count and train them to be killers with super telekentic powers, time and time again the jedi train the worlds worse terrorists that plunge galaxies into war when their cult code brain washing program fails. They're just a tiny fraction less fascist than the sith but they always end up being directly responsible for the worse things in the star wars galaxy happening in the first place.

I really can't see Darth Maul with robot legs his lightsabre choreography in the movies had too much jumping/swirling movements.

The Jedi aren't the ones that destroy and depopulate entire planets just to make a point. And as far as I understand, nobody is forced to train as a Jedi, they can quit any time. And with a few exceptions, most Jedi that actually do cause problems have turned away from their Order's ideals.

I dunno, I think Death Watch are pretty badass. I do agree the Mandalorians as a society on Mandalore are pretty weaksauce. But Death Watch are awesome.

Death Watch are pretty crazy. Though I agree that the Mandalorians in the show are, practically in the common sense, weak. Jango Fett was a true Mandalorian, even if one of the characters in the show said he wasn't. It would be interesting to see Boba try to fight Death Watch in the next season just as his father did in the Expanded Universe.



Nevertheless, the Republic they serve is corrupt and their Order follow evil ideals. The Jedi code is inherently evil, because it asks of it's followers that they be less than human, that they sacrifice in their own lives all of the aspects that make those lives worth living, to the point that the last line of their code becomes sad prophecy. There truly is no death for a Jedi, because before something can die, it must first live, and for the Jedi there is no life, only the force. An order dedicated to the eradication of the soul and opposed to individual idea? is not good.

The ideal of the Jedi is essentially to be soulless droids. A Jedi is not allowed to know love, the greatest motivator and purpose of life, the Jedi is not allowed anger, even when anger is called for, the Jedi is not allowed grief, no matter how great the loss, the Jedi is not allowed fear, even though fear leads to self-preservation. The Jedi is not allowed humanity, in the philosophical sense, though supposedly his goal is to preserve? it.

As for destroying planets, let it be clear that Alderaan was indeed a planet full of rebels led by Bail Organa. In "Rise of Darth Vader" by James Luceno, most of the population strikes out against the Empire in various riots.

The destruction of the planet is often consider as ipso facto proof of the Empire's "evil" because it appears as mass murder--planeticide, even. When Tarkin prepares to fire the Death Star, Leia begs him to spare the planet, saying that it's peaceful and they have no weapons. While her beg is important, how do we know it's even true? While I always make posts like these, this can be justified.

The audience has no reason to actually believe that Leia is telling the truth. In the first Star Wars movie, a New Hope, every bit of information she gives the Empire is untrue and practically false. In the beginning scene, she tells Darth Vader that she is on a diplomatic mission of mercy, while it's proven she is on a spy mission, trying to deliver schematics of the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance(A Terrotist organizqtion by the way. Made to destroy a government that is in power). When asked where the Alliance is headquartered, she lies once more.

Her lies are justified--she imagines herself serving the "greater good"--but they make her wholly unreliable on the question of whether or not Alderaan really is peaceful and defenseless. If anything, since Leia is a high-ranking member of the rebellion and the princess of Alderaan, it would be reasonable to suspect that Alderaan is a front for Rebel activity or at least home to many more spies and insurgents like herself.

And it all comes down to a point of view, I can quote many Sith who view the Jedi as the "bad guys" and obviously some of the Jedi who see the Dark Side as evil or malignant. The "Revenge of the Sith" movie shows the deception of the Sith and the destruction of the Jedi. Is killing children evil? Most would say. But for any Star Wars fan, they would know that the Republic attacked the Sith in the ancient days, destroying the landmarks in Korriban and killing Sith warriors and citizens alike, this was very near to genocide.

So what part of my comment do you not agree with?

It's not a matter of appearances. Blowing up a populated planet is mass murder, QED. Are you claiming there was no civilian population? Even if the people of Alderaan did have weapons, how many countless hundreds of millions of small children and infants would have died in the explosion? "Appears" as mass murder?

I'm sorry, but the SW universe is anything but morally ambiguous. Maybe some of the fan fiction marketed as "EU" made it so, but the films were quite unambiguous. Empire evil, rebels good. That's the way it was conceived and written by the manchild in the director's seat. This is the man who decided that Han Solo would have been "a cold-blooded killer" if he had shot Greedo first. He's not one for moral complexity.

Sith fans in SW remind me of Caesar's Legion fans in the NV boards.... No act is too heinous to be justifiable for their pet faction.

As I said before, being a Jedi is completely voluntary. If somebody doesn't want to follow their ideas, they're free to leave. Yes, some of their ideas, such as forbidding love, are stupid, but many of them are there for a reason.

As for Aldaraan, this is Star Wars, not Warhammer 40k. Just because a planet is full of (justifiably) angry rebels doesn't make it anything less than an atrocity to blow it up, hit it with a biosphere-annihilating bioweapon, or bombard all life out of it. Yes the Rebel Alliance engages in deception in various forms. No it does not make them hypocrites, nor does it condemn or somehow tarnish their cause.

And for the record, I play(ed) as a Sith in SWTOR and cosplay as an Imperial Scout Stormtrooper.

Now we are going somewhere. So you claim innocent people died? Then it is no different than the "Death Star" being destroyed and attacked. Many people onboard the Death Star were infact "innocent". There were civillians aboard the Death Star, working as laborers and scientists and engineers. No different than those on Alderaan.

"Since service onboard the Death Star was a long-term affair, the station maintained a number of civilian amenities to make the time aboard a deep space station more comfortable. Parks, shopping centers, recreation areas, and taverns such as the Hard Heart Cantina could be found in the general sectors of the station"

The Death Star is the size of a moon. Which means there are many people working within it.

■Full-time crew members (342,953)
■Officers (27,048)[2]
■Troops (607,360)
■Pilots (167,216)
■Support and maintenance crew (285,675)
■Stormtroopers (25,984; depending upon deployment)
■Gunners (57,278)[1]
■Starship support staff (42,782)
■Passengers (843,342)

That's millions of deaths. It was blown up in by Rebel Alliance which had a Jedi on their side. But hey, the Rebels are "good guys" right? Blow up a few billion civilians and it's no problem, since the Imperials are all evil. See the hypocrisy in that logic? I know, it's fiction. But let's be real here.

No different? Alderaan is a planet. People were born there through no choice of their own. The Death Star is a weapon of mass destruction specifically designed to murder people by the billions. It was a military target.

Those laborers, scientists and engineers were running and maintaining the weapon that had just obliterated billions of lives. You may think a person can help murder billions of people and still be called "innocent," but I have a somewhat stricter definition of that word.

The only possible way I could see any of those people being worthy of the word "innocent" is if they were slave labor, but that is only another point in favor of the Empire being evil.

And any way, even if blowing up the Death Star was mass murder, it doesn't change the fact that blowing up Alderaan was also an act of mass murder, one with a much greater number of casualties.


*sigh* I can't believe I'm having this discussion. And what's more, I can't believe I care. I'm not even a Star Wars fan.

But... Passengers? Passengers on a weapon of mass destruction. If you decide to take your holiday on the world destroying superweapon, you're asking for trouble.

I mean, if I decide to spend Spring Break in an Iranian nuclear arms factory and someone decides to blow it up, I really don't have a lot of room to complain, do I?

The rebels didn't have much of a choice but to attack the Death Star. The Empire had proven it was willing to destroy populated planets to make a point, and the Rebel Alliance was the greatest hope for the Galaxy to overthrow the current tyrannical regime to install a more ideal one. Plus it was either they destroy it or it destroys them.

Hey, no one is forcing you to continue the conversation. You can go as you please. And let me remind you that many people joined the Empire. These people were raised to believe the Empire was a perfect government that stemmed from the chaos that was the Clone Wars. I can name a few people who did their jobs. Military jobs. Juno Eclipse is one of them.

It's like saying that all those who join the Navy are evil because they work in a battle cruiser which is built to attack enemy soldiers. So I suppose the cooks in the Death Star are evil? Or even the maintance officials or restroom janitors even whos duty is to clean toilets? Death Star was a military target? Yes, but then what was Alderaan? Just a planet? There is enough evidence to support that it was Rebellion friendly and that it housed various insurgents and military personnel, and not everyone was as innocent as people were led to believe. Yes, some innocent people may have died. But in the Death Star, there were regular military officers that were raised believing the Empire was good. And not all of them were bred for battle, some were tasked with simple mundane jobs.



In war, people die. It's called "Star Wars" for a reason. Both sides suffer heavy casualties. In the prequels and in the original trilogy. All comes down to everything being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhdk0YOrVCg&t=4m16s


The Sith point of view of the strongest survive while the weak die. Destroy or be destroyed. You speak of the Rebel's perspective on the matter, while the Empire has their own perspective, which is to destroy the Rebels(A threat to the Empire) and to consolidate more power to keep stability and order in the galaxy. You never seen Clone troopers patrolling Tatooine when the Republic was in power? The security was much less.