I'm fine with the Skyrim "dungeons" and combat.

If I wanted to wander around in pitch black dungeons designed with no apparent rhyme or reason, I'd still be playing the games from the 1980s that offered these.

As for combat, I'm a real basic combat person so the TES implementation suits me fine.

Mount and Blade does have first person as for War in the North... honestly don't remember been a long time since I played the game. At any rate surely you see the point? I was giving examples of RPGs with great combat systems. I'm sure you can find a lot of first-person ones that do. A game being first-person does not automatically rule out great combat.



With the time, money and resources being pumped into a title as massive as TES, I can expect a good combat system. Both games I mentioned happen to be made by small/medium-sized studios. As for your last point, it makes no sense; there are different types of RPGs. For example Skyrim and Mount and Blade are open world while War in the North is not. It's different genres. Combat however applies universally; it's either good or it's not. And the amount of "detail" in Skyim can be argued (though I prefer not to pick at this aspect of the game).

I'm sorry but Fallout 3 didnt have nearly as much stuff to do and explore than Skyrim. And to your original point about Skyrims dungeons design looking the same...Fallout 3 was waaay worse with that.

More like there is more to RPGs than combat and killing things.

Only if you count "size" as a larger map with less to do in it. I actually much more enjoy Fallout 3 (i couldnt tell you about new vegas because the game repeatedly crashed my xbox). I'd gladly take a slightly smaller map (let's be honest fallout 3 is still huge) and have it more detailed, varied, and fun, than a larger, less detailed, blander game that over uses the copy paste buttons.

Lucky for you then? Honestly when the fanbase is better at fixing your own glitches than you are, there is no excuse. What's it take, a few weeks and an unofficial patch comes out? It's almost to the point that Bethesda RELIES on this so they dont have to worry about it. And one of the more interesting quests that had me hooked was broken, so I was pretty butthurt over that. I was so into it and then BOOM glitch says you need to make a whole new character if you want to play this quest. -grumbles- The smaller glitches are less annoying than game/quest breaking ones.

Opinions.

Opinions.

Hm...then a diplomacy subtree in the speech skill tree mayhaps? Different perks that make certain groups n
I'm not saying its not fun...NV is actually number one on my list of games, but in terms of map size, the TES games are much bigger. Which is why they can't fine tune everything like the Fallout team can.

I like the bigger world with less detail sometimes.

So Skyrim is less detailed? I fail to see the logic behind that post

People said that about New Vegas also, but my game crashed every time I got to New Vegas. Every. Time. Some people just get lucky. I literally could write a novel about my NV glitches, and i'd say a short story about skyrim ones. It just hurts so much more when interesting quest lines become unbeatable. I end up just reading the guide to see what i could have experienced.

As stated before, Fallout 3 is lititered with more varied things and is more detailed in it's dungeons because the game is actually a bit smaller. Maybe that's the issue, they made Skyrim too large. fallout 3 is what I consider the epitome of bethesda's RPGs, even without mods. Opinions are opinions, but Fallout 3 was definitely more diverse in it's dungeons/random things in them. Constant quests and fun stories in them, while Skyrim is more, here's another samey dungeon with nothing but some crappy loot you dont want and the same 4 enemies you fight every 5 minutes in this game. Hint: Drauger with axe, Drauger with Sword, Drauger with Bow, Drauger with shouty powers.

yea, you dont explore.

They're not better at it, its that they have the spare time to do it while Bethesda does not. Modders dont have to kick out cash or get their fixes certified like Beth does. Thats something people either dont realize or dont care about. And dont forget they only have to worry about the pc...

As stated before, Fallout 3 is lititered with more varied things and is more detailed in it's dungeons because the game is actually a bit smaller. Maybe that's the issue, they made Skyrim too large. fallout 3 is what I consider the epitome of bethesda's RPGs, even without mods. Opinions are opinions, but Fallout 3 was definitely more diverse in it's dungeons/random things in them. Constant quests and fun stories in them, while Skyrim is more, here's another samey dungeon with nothing but some crappy loot you dont want and the same 4 enemies you fight every 5 minutes in this game. Hint: Drauger with axe, Drauger with Sword, Drauger with Bow, Drauger with shouty powers.

So because your game is buggy, everyones is? That is unfortunate that your copy is super bad, but that is not everyone.

Right there with you man

Just for the laughs.

PC fixes dont need to be certified, so your argument is irrelevant.

Right there with you man

This reply doesn't even make sense and is irrelevant to everything in this topic.

PC fixes dont need to be certified, so your argument is irrelevant. They could literally pump out fixes for PC, get things working, and THEN pump out massive patches all at once, foregoeing the need for a lot of patches, and knowing that their patches would work from internal testing. If they would work with the PC crowd, they would make a much smoother transfer to consoles also. Honestly it seems like fixing glitches has never been the forefront of anything Bethesda does. Sometimes glitches are so wide spread they HAD to have known about it way before release. Also, irrelevant to the topic, let's end this discussion over glitches. It was just a point, which came from me still having no issue with skyrims combat. (i thought it was cool)

All patches need to be certified, so what are you talking about?

Considering I ended up using the guide to find every single dungeon in skyrim and personally atack every single one, I've explored every dungeon. I ended up using the guide because i was so damn bored. I'm not as easy to please as people who enjoy raiding the same worthless dungeon every 3 days.

As stated before, Fallout 3 is lititered with more varied things and is more detailed in it's dungeons because the game is actually a bit smaller. Maybe that's the issue, they made Skyrim too large. fallout 3 is what I consider the epitome of bethesda's RPGs, even without mods. Opinions are opinions, but Fallout 3 was definitely more diverse in it's dungeons/random things in them. Constant quests and fun stories in them, while Skyrim is more, here's another samey dungeon with nothing but some crappy loot you dont want and the same 4 enemies you fight every 5 minutes in this game. Hint: Drauger with axe, Drauger with Sword, Drauger with Bow, Drauger with shouty powers.

Considering I ended up using the guide to find every single dungeon in skyrim and personally atack every single one, I've explored every dungeon. I ended up using the guide because i was so damn bored. I'm not as easy to please as people who enjoy raiding the same worthless dungeon every 3 days.