Battle-Born or Grey-Mane?

Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:39 pm

Almost a whole page and not a single reference about Hitler! Amazing!
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jennie xhx
 
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:06 am

Ulfric's selfish rebellion cuts the Empire's resources to fight the real enemy, Aldmeri Dominion.

Two wrongs dont make a right.
This point presumes the Empire has the right to rule in Skyrim.
Does it?
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:22 am

Any Stormcloak is racist.
So are all the Imperials and other supporters of the Empire.
Two reasons why the Empire is racist:
-They execute people(Talos worshipers) because of their religion.
-They have hierarchy depending on the birth-origins. (peasants, nobles etc.)
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:10 am

Any Stormcloak is racist.
Hey, what if let's say us Norwegians just one day grew so powerful and took over your dear USA. We would change the rules and you wouldn't be happy (Ofc you would be happy, but...this is an example). Wouldn't you want to have at least some control over your own country? Wouldn't you fight against the Norwegians/"Imperials", because you wanted your America back? Oh, you would?? RACIST!!
Just think for a second, most Stormcloaks aren't racist, just as most people in this world aren't racists either (right....?). Most of the Stormcloaks just fight for their country and want their Skyrim back.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:12 pm

So are all the Imperials and other supporters of the Empire.
Two reasons why the Empire is racist:
-They execute people(Talos worshipers) because of their religion.
-They have hierarchy depending on the birth-origins. (peasants, nobles etc.)

Which is why my character doesn't bother with this civil war nonsense.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:11 am

Two wrongs dont make a right.
This point presumes the Empire has the right to rule in Skyrim.
Does it?

Skyrim has been a part of the Empire hundreds of years, so I'd assume it does.


So are all the Imperials and other supporters of the Empire.
Two reasons why the Empire is racist:
-They execute people(Talos worshipers) because of their religion.
-They have hierarchy depending on the birth-origins. (peasants, nobles etc.)

Empire only executes Talos worshippers because of the Thalmor are demanding it with White-Gold Concordant. What comes to the second point; feodalism simply isn't racism, it's not based on race.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:40 pm

So, to believe a country's people should be self-determining is racist?

No, it's because Ulfric lets his people treat the Dunmer like trash, and won't allow Argonians into the city. He'll quickly rally men to stop bandits that attack Nord villages/travelers, but when non-Nords are attacked, he doesn't raise a finger. He's a power hungry [censored] using the outlaw of Talos worship as his banner to attain the thrown, and drive out as many non-nords as possible.

Their cause is just, but the motives/leadership is not by any means.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:03 pm

Empire only executes Talos worshippers because of the Thalmor are demanding it with White-Gold Concordant. What comes to the second point; feodalism simply isn't racism, it's not based on race.

So one Empire (Imperials) is suppressing freedom of worship in Skyrim and permitting Nords to be excecuted by Thalmor inquisitionists as part of a deal with another Empire (the Aldmeri Dominion).
Can you seriously maintain the rebels as the culprits in this outrage?
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:13 am

Empire only executes Talos worshippers because of the Thalmor are demanding it with White-Gold Concordant. What comes to the second point; feodalism simply isn't racism, it's not based on race.
If they kill people because of their beliefs they are racists - it doesn't matter if Thalmor made them to do so - the truth is they are doing so and it's not acceptable. And if you didn't knew it racism is not only based on race. Any kind of inequality depending on birth-origins, religion or beliefs, language, culture, social or economical status or race is racism.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:52 am

So are all the Imperials and other supporters of the Empire.
Two reasons why the Empire is racist:
-They execute people(Talos worshipers) because of their religion.
-They have hierarchy depending on the birth-origins. (peasants, nobles etc.)
We excecute the talos worshippers because we must, or the Thalmor will destroy us all, most imperial soldiers support Talos in secret.
Oh and about hierarchy it is kind of like that in real life aswell. I'm born in a poor family and I can't get a good job because of stuff my mother did.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:01 pm

So one Empire (Imperials) is suppressing freedom of worship in Skyrim and permitting Nords to be excecuted by Thalmor inquisitionists as part of a deal with another Empire (the Aldmeri Dominion).
Can you seriously maintain the rebels as the culprits in this outrage?

No, I can't. Ulfric Stormcloak, however, only worsens the situation by spilling gas on the flames in his attempt for the High King's throne - not taking notice of the other citizens of Skyrim than his true nords.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:47 am

If they kill people because of their beliefs they are racists - it doesn't matter if Thalmor made them to do so - the truth is they are doing so and it's not acceptable. And if you didn't knew it racism is not only based on race. Any kind of inequality depending on birth-origins, religion or beliefs, language, culture, social or economical status or race is racism.

The imperial "racists" still take all of their citizens (Of all races, or 'species') needs to consideration, unlike the Stormcloak leadership.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:40 am

Not taking notice of the other citizens of Skyrim than his true nords.
That's true but it's not depending on your race. If you haven't notice it he will treat you as a true Nord if you fight for Skyrim. He seems to see it the way that every citizen for Skyrim is a true Nord and every one against it isn't. It definitely has nothing to do with your race.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:11 am

Grey-Manes, Battle-Borns seem like complete [censored]s after doing that rescue quest in Whiterun.
You know, there happens to be a resque mission where you resque a Battleborn as well...
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:15 am

That's true but it's not depending on your race. If you haven't notice it he will treat you as a true Nord if you fight for Skyrim. He seems to see it the way that every citizen for Skyrim is a true Nord and every one against it isn't. It definitely has nothing to do with your race.

It definitely has everything to do with race. The ones that don't want anything to do with Ulfric's rebellion are treated like scum - the dark elves of Gray Quarter, argonian dock workers, and khajiit caravaneers (Although the last one seems to be fairly common in other, non-stormcloak ruled territories as well). The player character is an exception.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:11 am

Olfrid, patron of the great clan Battle-Born... a name I'm sure you know well.

For that alone i cannot wait to send him to the depths of oblivion.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:12 am

The imperial "racists" still take all of their citizens (Of all races, or 'species') needs to consideration, unlike the Stormcloak leadership.
That's not true. If the Empire would do so there would not be civil war in Skyrim and Hammerfell wouldn't separate from the Empire. When the Empire accepted the peace-treaty with Aldmeri Dominion they took only consideration the needs of Cyrodiilic people. Otherwise they would not give so much land from Hammerfell to Dominion and they would give for Skyrim right to continue Talos worshiping even it'll be banned on other provinces (just like they a few hundred years ago gave Morrowind right to have slavery even it was illegal in all other provinces).
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:12 pm

For that alone i cannot wait to send him to the depths of oblivion.

Me too!
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:13 pm

That's not true. If the Empire would do so there would not be civil war in Skyrim and Hammerfell wouldn't separate from the Empire. When the Empire accepted the peace-treaty with Aldmeri Dominion they took only consideration the needs of Cyrodiilic people. Otherwise they would not give so much land from Hammerfell to Dominion and they would give for Skyrim right to continue Talos worshiping even it'll be banned on other provinces (just like they a few hundred years ago gave Morrowind right to have slavery even it was illegal in all other provinces).

They considered the best of all the provinces of Empire - because if they didn't give those lands to the much superior enemy (Thalmor ftw), the war would have raged on and eventually many more lives would have been lost.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:49 am

Gray manes. And as said before the empire is racist, tortures innocents for their thalmor masters, have no sense of freedom (relgious or political) etc. Really evil.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:44 am

This forums are full of Imperial propaganda.

Who is save from the propaganda machine if not the symbol of defense? A turtle A tortoise?
I have two tortoises, you can have one. :turtle:
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:22 am

They considered the best of all the provinces of Empire - because if they didn't give those lands to the much superior enemy (Thalmor ftw), the war would have raged on and eventually many more lives would have been lost.

So the Empire gets to choose who will be thrown to the Thalmor wolves...and those they decide to sacrifice should just accept it?
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:21 am

So the Empire gets to choose who will be thrown to the Thalmor wolves...and those they decide to sacrifice should just accept it?

It's a choice between the bigger and lesser bad choice. If they hadn't gave Aldmeri Dominion the smaller piece of southern Hammerfell, the enemy would have sooner or later taken all of it.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:31 am

They considered the best of all the provinces of Empire - because if they didn't give those lands to the much superior enemy (Thalmor ftw), the war would have raged on and eventually many more lives would have been lost.
That would happen but they didn't bring peace in their Empire by that decision. They have now civil war in Skyrim because they wanted to please more Dominion than their own citizens. The decision was made by Imperials and you can easily see that they were worried only by their own land. The things they were willing to give to Dominion were important for Nords and Redguards not for Imperials. If they would continue the war instead of peace-treaty the thing they probably would loose is the Southern Cyrodiil. It's hard lost but it would be the only way to keep the Empire solid. They didn't choose the best opinion when they accepted the treaty - they only choose to keep safe the things which are the most dear to Cyrodiilics.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:07 am

The term "racist" is on this forum, excessively overused and poorly understood. Conventional understanding of our meaning pf racist holds to be impossible to implement as all Humans are of a single race, differences only in ethnicity. In Tamriel however there are three races, Men, Mer, and Beast. Each of the 10 fit into one of the three race categories. It is possible to be a racist, however the degree of which people accuse others of being such is ludacris overdone.
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