One way the BoS and/or Enclave could appear in a DLC is fighting for/over control over the Big Empty. During the DLC, the player can choose a side (or not) to help takeover the Big Empty with (or keep it for themselves, or even destroy it along with the BoS and Enclave). This way multiple endings and playthroughs could be possible, with perhaps multiple rewards (and consequences).

That's my plan, but I dunno if everyone would agree with it :whistling:

Dont the enclave have a base in chicago or somthin?I just want them to be a faction I can be a part of, and not just have to kill them all the time.I think the enclave should wait till another game though, let people have a cool down from them.The Bos?I would like to see how the capital wasteland turns out,but I dont realy want them as a main faction agian.I like your ideas,FotA or CL,Id like to see more of them.

I think New Vegas needs a CL dlc. We dont know enough about CL cities or how their campaign went in arizona. I would like to see that

Might give people some perspective on them as well.

Exactly. There must be some left, somewhere, I can feel it.. O.o

I really want a chance to play on the side of the enclave for once and maybe make them good, because thay are much more powerful than the BoS.

I think an interenal struggle would be a cool concept to think about, maybe theres a resistance to enclave policies and you either have to make them side with you or oppose you. that way if you want them to stay evil you can and if u want them to change into good guys them you have the chance to do that as well.

There are no Enclave in FO New Vegas. Just remnants and you can get them to side with you againt NCR. FO3 had a enclave resistance/civil war its just we nothing to do with it other then being the catalyst for Colonel Autumn finally going against president Eden.

You never know, there might be some in the Divide or the Big empty. No offense but just because "you think" their not there, dosnt mean that they might not be in a DLC.

Enclaves main forces all fled to the east while the one's that stayed has been hunted by the NCR and the east side of the river isn't exactly the most welcoming place for such profligates.

New Vegas makes it clear that the Enclave broke up after the oil rig. Many were killed by NCR or BoS, others assimilated into NCR or just went and settled outside of NCR. The diehards went East to DC. If there are enough enclave there in "The big empty or Divide" it would just be stupid. Having the Enclave back in an real way in the West is just lazy. IMO.

Again thats your opinion, but to each there own, I think alot of fallout fans, enjoy those two factions and I dont see why the fallout team would knock off somthing that a big majority of their fans like. That could lead to possible sales decline and less popularity in future games. As it is Bethseda didnt get its normal top notch rating for Fallout New Vegas like all thier other games. Which Im not saying is due just to the lack of BOS or Enclave, but overall.
So like I said to each there own if I want to fancy the idea about playing a BoS or Enclave DLC, then I will and no matter how much people sprout about the Enclave being gone from the West, in truth you dont completely know whether thats true or not (I dont think the Devs have whispered that we'll never see them again into your ear), because overall this is a game and anything can happen...

The only way I see playing a Mr. House DLC is if its a pre-recorded Mr. House or something along those lines.
NCR already has enough quests to keep all of Africa busy.
Enclave would be interesting if it's some secret bunker with an active staff otherwise going against Remnants is nothing but a drag.
Having another BoS bunker would just odd if you're looking at the main quest.

Some implications just in Fallout 2, indicate the Enclave had other bases. Fallout 3 makes that most obvious. But there power base was broken when the Oil Rig exploded, and further crushed by the end of Fallout 3, but as the fallouts allegory Nazi's they'll be back but once again as villains. If the next Fallout is in Chicago we'll probably see the Enclave there but once again as villains. The Enclave controlling a state is illogical they spent there time hiding even better then the BoS. The Enclave remained hidden and virtually unknown until sometime before the start of Fallout 2. If they had a territory to retreat to they wouldn't have gone to Raven's Rock. They don't have the men anymore, if they ever did have those numbers to begin with. That's why the purifier was so important to Col. Autumn, the Enclave could use it to expand its power.

Fallout New Vegas shows the Enclave did have good people but so did Fallout 2. Ron Myers from Fallout 2 an Enclave deserter accurately describes the history and the real purpose of the Enclave its all about some "rich old bastards who didn't want to give up their power". Hell Dr. Henry appears on both NV and FO2. "They did bad things, terrorized communities, kidnapped people." "At least she was part of something, granted it was something admittedly pretty bad"—Arcade Gannon He's the biggest evidence, he doesn't like the Enclave and he was raised around the remnants. And with one exception the remnants you meet didn't like what the Enclave was doing. There always the bad guys, because they are the bad guys. The good people in the Enclave that you meet have all left it.

A renegade faction of Enclave probably wouldn't call themselves the Enclave, the word is to tainted. You want the Enclave to be this misunderstood guys, but the actual outcasts from the organization don't do anything to paint a better picture. Bad guys who are devote in there belief that what they are doing is right are quite interesting? Ever see the movie Serenity? remember that Agent? He was one of the best villains ever. Here's an Enclave civil war starter, imagine a holotape containing some evidence and after watching it you say. "The Great War... The Enclave they started it!" Especially awesome if you spend the first half of the game as part of the Enclave. Given the Enclaves extensive preparation for the war, it isn't that far fetched that they started it. Given they descended from the pre-War United States government and military industrial complex. They are at least partially responsible for the war even if they didn't intentionally start it.

I don't agree, I believe there are way more fallout fans against seeing the Enclave as anything other then remnants. Does not mean they are not fans of the Enclave but they just feel the Enclave has been way over done. They were awesome in FO2 but pointless in FO3. Having them back in any way other then remnants is just lazy. Still to each is own. I just don't see the need to beat the dead horse that is the Enclave.

Edit: I am still talking about a DLC for New Vegas Western United States, Mojave area. Its not really an opinion when its a fact. New Vegas says Enclave are gone in the west and then to discover a big enclave base in a DLC :confused: Why then did the Enclave remnants not join them? Why did the diehards go to DC when there was a base outside of the Mojave? Those are cons, it would mess with the story and lore/canon.

My opinion is there is no pro to having the enclave back in a DLC in anyway other then elderly remnants.

Yes it is but he did make legitimate logical points as to why he doesn't believe it will work. Veruca Salt-esque (but I want it NOOOOOOWWWW) rebuttles like "It's your opinion" & "but many fans want it" is not a legitimate counterpoint to his statement.

Enclave the BoS in this game piss me off I liked em more in Fallout 3.

How, the have nothing to do in the main storyline, they are remnants

On topic, NEITHER, i want a Legion based DLC

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Exactly, the Enclave is gone, it's over, they don't have the manpower to do much of anything other than hide; the Enclave was supposed to die after Fallout 2, as one of the non-canon endings says that the remains of the Enclave joined the new facist NCR. I know that ending wasn't canon but the variable is not the Enclave it's the NCR. This to me means that the Enclave had nothing left but Navarro and when they saw the chance to disband they did. In some hypothetical utopia were Fallout 3 didn't exist (or just didn't have the Enclave) it follows the canon NCR stay good and the remaining Enclave who had nowhere to go were destroyed by the NCR, 60 years later, nothing left, all dead. Now we have F3 and other bases in Chicago, that surely is it, the Enclave have never had the manpower to control a state or any such nonsense.



The Remants didn't say they hated the Enclave, only Johnson does, the way they talk about just wanting to civilise things and just nice having a purpose makes me think they don't care, I know it's Obsidian's way of humanising the Enclave after... Fallout 3, to make them seem more serious but lets not forget such Fallout 2 classics as:

-The Enclave will rule the world!
-You die so that the Enclave will survive!
-You're an illegal alien on Enclave territory. Proposition 312 orders us to shoot on sight. Sorry, boy!
-He's a mutant spy! Take him out, team!
-As a loyal soldier of the Enclave, I got orders to kill you. Hope you don't mind.
-Don't talk to me! You'll not corrupt me with your feminine temptations! Die!
-Hey, Louie! You ever seen what one of these babies does to soft tissue? Watch!

and who could forget?

-I just dispatched a Verti-Assualt team to your location, have a nice day!

I think the remnant's are a little too overcompensating for the stock, [censored], etc Fallout 3 Encalve, hell, I think the best lines come from Moreno (and Judah to be fair), "If I'd have been on the winning side I'd be called a hero." Now maybe you have to be a guy who tries to justify the Fallout 2 Enclave or maybe a guy who's spend like two years creating such an Enclave character but I see no reason why the Enclave remnants couldn't all have been Moreno's, everyone they ever knew, pretty much, got killed. The Enclave can be [censored]s to you one minute yet love their family the next, their human beings. Moreno man, he wins my top character moment, him and Judah... love those guys. :cryvaultboy:



The whole civil war thing is pretty stupid in my opinion, it was just Eden killing his own men to get the Lone Wanderer out because god for-[censored]-bid there was no other person in the Enclave willing to poison everyone, he had to kill his own people just to get the Lone Wanderer to do it, what about all the Enclave Extremination Camps which they set up as free water for a little test to svcker people in, Autumn wasn't [censored]ing then was he and the soldier's certainly [censored] weren't. Also, House calculated that the Great War would happen 15 years in advance and he was pretty much bang on save for a few days, the chip, his final piece it seems was only hours away. The oil rig was built in sometime before the Great War, possibly by 2274 if you check the timeline on the Vault, and surely that bad boy was purpose built, it had the manufactuing cability of making and researching new power armour, the best infact, something which the Brotherhood in all it's savenging of the pre-war world cannot do. It had the ability to support a population large to keep the Enclave going for 150 years or so till it blew up. It must have had so much and been so big, hell, we see the tanker docking into a bay in it. Richardson says the Chinese launched first and I see no reason not to believe him, he thinks your a trooper and honestly why would he lie? I doubt the Enclave members would be in up-roar if they found out that they caused the war. Though they are of course partly responsible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXwlDWPBnzU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjSnjKheGHg&feature=related

As far as i was concerned that conversation was over, so why did u stick your nose in it and try to stir things up? I could care less about his statement and thats where i was going with the "It's your opinion" if you didnt understand that, then im terribly sorry for you.
Let me put what im saying to you in layman terms, mind your own business....

Well Said :foodndrink:



Demohoopa is right. I did provide legitimate logical points as to why it would not work to have Enclave show up in a New Vegas DLC. It will mess with story of the Enclave remnants in the game as well as over all lore and canon.

1) Why did they (remnants) not join the Enclave at the DLC base?

2) Why did those who went to DC not just go to the DLC base?

3) How did they set up a base with the NCR and BoS hunting them down to extinction?

4) Why no mention of it from anyone who knew about the Enclave in New Vegas?

5) It has been said that the Enclave have been hunted to extinction in the West by NCR and the BoS

6) Why was Ed-E sent to Navarro when he could have been sent to a DLC base?

7) Why did so many give up and try to assimilate into NCR when they could have joined a DLC Enclave base outside of Mojave?

Those are big cons for having the Enclave back in a DLC in anyway other then remnants. I don't see any pros. If you can answer those questions and come up with reason they should be there other then. "that's your opinion" and "fans want it."

Posting something on a public forum and then crying foul when someone replies to said post is akin to joining a soccer league and then complaining that you can't use your hands.

svck it up and GASOH or take it to PM. It's really not difficult.

Don't get mad at him I would have said pretty much the same thing. You are on a public forum. Your first post asked for pros and cons. I gave cons and could see no pros. All I am getting back from you is "thats your opinion" which is not a great counter point to my cons. Don't ask for cons and get mad when someone gives you some.