sure Dovahkiin defeated The Eater of Worlds. but CoC single handedly defeated Armies of Daedra (Something Dovahkiin would not be able to do). every7 gate he entered was garrisoned with a small army. CoC fought through armies of Dreamora, Daedroth, Spider Daedra, and many more just to be able to collapse these gates. something which, im sorry to say, Dovahkiin would not be capable of.

Dovahkiin is only capable of 85% magic resistance. Skyrim has a cap on it, Oblivion and Morrowind do not.

You could shove a bloody rag in his mouth to gag him much like Ulfric was a the start of the game.

Some people are talking like killing dragons is hard work or dangerous. Half the dragons are killed by townsfolk, followers or conjured help. The Dovakiin does not even have to help to kill the main boss dragon. All he has to do is sit on the steps of Sovengard and watch the three heroes deliver a beat down. Maybe throw a dragonrend shout once or twice.

Fus Ro Dah off a cliff will not hurt the CoC because of high acrobatics. Only a plunge off Dive Rock could kill the CoC and even then with Boots of Springheel Jack and a fortify acrobatics potion, CoC would be fine and come back to kill the Dovakiin before the shout cool down was over.

Even pre-DLC for both games, magic stacking and spell creation in Oblivion would prevail.

Lore-wise both start as mortals, Equipment and magic seemingly were better in the olden days of Cyrodiil. More than enough to shut down a loudmouthed soul vampire.

so far game is not complet yet lets get back to this topic when we have all the content for Skyrim

even Pre-DLC, Dovah is among the weakest

Who says the Nerevarine has to throw fireballs at the Dovahkiin ? He could even reign death with the oh so popular crossbows that were in Morrowind or even just with a good bow or he could throw throwing stars and dart at the Dovahkiin. Not to mention the Nerevarine can summon a ton of daedra at once and while the Dovahkiin takes little damage he would still take some damage eventually with a lot of deadra beating on him and the Nerevarine shooting at him with physical weapons from above.

The CoC cause of what happend with sheogorath

actually my Dovakin is preaty much a tank allready magic resistence and damage resistence wise same has my CoC i can see them figthing to exastion and ending a drawn

The Champion of Cyrodiil was one of the weakest/lamest of heroes of the TES universe thus far. He was literally just a prisoner who was released and ended up fighting the Daedra.

Dovahkiin is a super-human, a man with the soul of a dragon. He'd be better of sparring with the Nerevarine, who was a reborn hero of destiny. Both are cooler stories than the CoC.

[Edit] I also negate the fact that the Shivering Isles was something that actually happened and had lasting effects on the CoC, because it was basically a gigantic plot hole that they just ran with. Take it easy on writing up complex plots, Bethesda, because you guys... kinda... well, svck at them.

Impossible, the player does not have the option to do that to another character in neither OB nor SR


Interestingly, can't remember a plot hole there.

What plot hole?

like i said before, even if you don't include the fact that he IS Sheogorath, he is still the champion of the nine. sure Dovahkiin is blessed by Akatosh. but CoC is blessed by the nine, and is argueably the reincarnation of Pelinal Whitestrake (or whatever the first divine crusader was called). meaning while Dovah is chose by one of the divines, CoC is the champion of all nine.

Dovahkiin's health can go to 64-bit. Nerevarine's damage is 32-bit at most. That is a whole different magnitude of power.

HP regeneration is counted in percentage of health, it is possible to have it in millions as well. This means Dovahkiin can regenerate ten thousand times his full health in one second. Nothing short of a OHKO can defeat him.

I think The Agent would be the weakest since all he did was figure out about a murder and found something that controls whatever that one thing is.. Numidon?

CoC killed Daedra and closed Oblivion Gates... Never many common adventures can do that, you know? And s/he did it easily...

Nerevarine has Chrysamere, Crossbows, and prolly Stendarr's Hammer... The hammer itself will prolly take out the Dovahkiin if we have a classic bash-up fight (Melee VS Melee only)

The damage on those items does not appear to pose any significant threat.

BTW have you read about my ealier post on Kill Animation which the Dovahkiin will execute with his trillion damage iron sword the second anyone gets close?

Without using Smithing, the best weapon Dovahkiin will get is prolly a Daedric Claymore with a damage of 72 at max.

Stendarr's Hammer is 120 or higher, I think. Chrysamere is 80.

Nope you're still taking DLC into account (KotN)

Pre-DLC, the CoC is just Martin's lackey.

mkay ill go as basic as possible.

Dovahkiin fights Dragons, and those battles can last for a long time. CoC enters oblivion gates and take on An ARMY of Daedra. while we can see a small contingent of guards defeat a dragon (first dragon encounter anyone?) and the Daedra were able to destroy Kvatch.

so

Dovahkiin = Slays Dragons that a small group of guards could defeat
CoC = can single handedly defeat an army (on their own turf mind you) Capable of leveling an entire town

Those daedra aren't capable of levelling a whole town, their massive indestructable Daedric siege engine did that.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Daedric_Siege_Crawler#Daedric_Siege_Crawler
And the CoC never destroyed it. Well, directly anyways.


The dragonborn however DID destroy something with the power to destroy a town: Alduin (he levelled Helgen)


And those guards ain't [censored] if an Elder dragon showed up. Although if I remember that first dragon encounter correctly, weren't there a group of guards there that all got wiped out save for one guard who hid in the tower, and another that ran away to the jarl, and that's why you had to go clean up their mess?

taking no DLC into account the CoC is just an average man good with handling weapons, big deal
the dragoborn takes the cake, he has the soul of a dragon, cant get much more bad ass than that

Since the Nevarine's power mainly comes from abusing alchemy and COC from abusing enchanting, there is no reason to limit the Dovahkiin in this discussion.

The CoC is arguably much more impressive, being a mortal who had no special blessing or power, yet went on to become one of Tamriel's greatest heroes. The Nerevarine too; he had to go out and EARN his job.

Comparitively, the Dovah was kind of handed everything on a silver platter.

Nerevearine is also a Dragonborn and additionally blessed by Talos (optionally Mara and Zenithar as well) and is the personal agent of Daedra Prince Azura.
CoC tough can be argued to be a normal mortal, tough even he can be argued due to his connection to Pelinal Whitestrake.