Champion Of Cyrodiil vs Dovahkiin! : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:30 am

Like I said before, Martin was just a tool that was needed. The CoC did the actually stuff

QFT

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:05 am

If anything Martin WAS MADE to help the CoC.

Todd Howard wants to disagree with that in an interview I conveniently cannot find right now.

Tell yourselves whatever you want, but the facts that I cannot find right now speak for themselves. Have a good day.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:15 pm

That's just a matter of perspective. During the final Oblivion battle, I felt like Martin's tool. Someone to distract the daedric horde, while he saved the day. Still, CoC is certainly a hero.

I look at it like this.

There is something I need to draw on a piece of paper with a ONE certain Pencil. I, personally, did all the work but I need this Pencil to finish the drawing once and for all. But after doing so, the Pencil broke forever.

Martin = Pencil. Drawing = Oblivion Crisis. Get the picture?

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:19 am

Todd Howard wants to disagree with that in an interview I conveniently cannot find right now.

Tell yourselves whatever you want, but the facts that I cannot find right now speak for themselves. Have a good day.

like my ex always said, "that is just "to convenient"

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:35 am

As Sheogorath, CoC would win.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:57 pm

Todd Howard wants to disagree with that in an interview I conveniently cannot find right now.

Tell yourselves whatever you want, but the facts that I cannot find right now speak for themselves. Have a good day.

All I want you to know is the Fact that CoC IS A HERO.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:52 am

All I want you to know is the Fact that CoC IS A HERO.

In an enitrely different way than dovahkiin. He is a normal mortal for crying our loud, unlike the dragonborn. (before the DLC that made him sheogorath). Can we agree now?

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:13 am

In an enitrely different way than dovahkiin. He is a normal mortal for crying our loud, unlike the dragonborn. (before the DLC that made him sheogorath). Can we agree now? :biggrin:

He is NOT a Normal Mortal at all. He is a Hero in his own way. No other person can slaughter Daedra like he did. Not even the Dragonborn can slaughter Daedra like that. The Dragonborn slaughters Dragons.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:24 am

He is NOT a Normal Mortal at all. He is a Hero in his own way. No other person can slaughter Daedra like he did. Not even the Dragonborn can slaughter Daedra like that. The Dragonborn slaughters Dragons.

The facepalm and banghead emoticons aren't enough to represent what I feel right now, so I'll just stop trying.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:32 am

In an enitrely different way than dovahkiin. He is a normal mortal for crying our loud, unlike the dragonborn. (before the DLC that made him sheogorath). Can we agree now? :biggrin:

the Dragonborn is mortal as well, he just has a natural talent in shouts... thats it... sure he is the Champion of Akatosh, but CoC is the champion Of Akatosh, Arkay, Dibella, Talos, Stendaar, kynnarath, and the other 3 whos names I cant remember. the only reason he could wield the crusaders relics is because the nine chose him.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:34 pm

CoC wears 100 reflect Damage.
CoC casts a combination disintegrate weapon/armor spell made at his handy dandy alter if mage, as a weapons enchantment if warrior.
CoC paralyzes so Dovahkiin doesn't run.
CoC kills Dovahkiin.

Winner CoC.

Wow! you Managed to name almost all the mechanics I hated in Oblivion in one post. This comes under if that's how he wins I now far prefer the one who lost. I think you were trying a humorous jab and the exploits in Oblivion but I'm not positive.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:34 am

The facepalm and banghead emoticons aren't enough to represent what I feel right now, so I'll just stop trying.

sorry but face the facts that the CoC is a Hero.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:02 pm

About the whole Dovahkiin-CoC hero thing: They're both heroes. And they weren't destined to do anything; as heroes control their own destiny. They're just heroes, no huge difference about them. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hero
Also, if were doing this by the way of (imo, stupid way) grading them based upon game mechanics, yeah the CoC has reflect damage 100% and all, BUT the Dovahkiin can use the fortify restoration/smithing glitch to get over 50 MILLION + health, stamina, AND magicka! AND do over 50 MILLION damage on all weapons!! All the Dovahkiin has to do is get one hit with super-bow and CoC = DEAD Yeah, he's Sheogorath, but he doesn't gain his full powers until years later and they only work in Shivering Isles. So ANY enchantment that dovahkiin has is amplified hundreds of times over. Fortify Sneak, health, health regeneration, etc.. Any hits CoC does are null with the massive health + health regeneration. So Dovahkiin = Winner.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:53 pm

CoC casts a combination disintegrate weapon/armor spell made at his handy dandy alter if mage, as a weapons enchantment if warrior.

No durability in Skyrim

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:40 am

About the whole Dovahkiin-CoC hero thing: They're both heroes. And they weren't destined to do anything; as heroes control their own destiny. They're just heroes, no huge difference about them. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hero
Also, if were doing this by the way of (imo, stupid way) grading them based upon game mechanics, yeah the CoC has reflect damage 100% and all, BUT the Dovahkiin can use the fortify restoration/smithing glitch to get over 50 MILLION + health, stamina, AND magicka! AND do over 50 MILLION damage on all weapons!! All the Dovahkiin has to do is get one hit with super-bow and CoC = DEAD Yeah, he's Sheogorath, but he doesn't gain his full powers until years later and they only work in Shivering Isles. So ANY enchantment that dovahkiin has is amplified hundreds of times over. Fortify Sneak, health, health regeneration, etc.. Any hits CoC does are null with the massive health + health regeneration. So Dovahkiin = Winner.

Well actually, each Hero has a destiny that they will do no matter what.. I believe Azura proved this in Morrowind, if I am correct.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:41 am

They're both heroes. And they weren't destined to do anything; as heroes control their own destiny. They're just heroes,

this isn't Fable

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:54 pm

this isn't Fable

I am currently trying to see what are you thinknig right now... I am confused...

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:48 am

I am currently trying to see what are you thinknig right now... I am confused...

what Ra'Bassa typed is basicly whatr a Hero is in fable (which is a crappy game IMHO).

A traditional hero has a destiny which they must fulfill

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:55 am

what Ra'Bassa typed is basicly whatr a Hero is in fable (which is a crappy game IMHO).

A traditional hero has a destiny which they must fulfill

Fable is crappy all together.

And yes, all Heroes in the Elder Scrolls Lore has a destiny that they must, and will, fulfill. These Heroes cannot dodge it.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:12 am

Fable is crappy all together.

QFT

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:58 pm

Daedric prince (sheogorath) + Arena grand champion or dovahkiin. Hmmmm obviously CoC

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:44 pm

A traditional hero has a destiny which they must fulfill

In-game text from the doomstones, as well as Dyus and Jyggalag saying the fate of CoC is unkown as he defies their logical formulae, suggest that heroes can rule their own destiny

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:04 am

In-game text from the doomstones, as well as Dyus and Jyggalag saying the fate of CoC is unkown as he defies their logical formulae, suggest that heroes can rule their own destiny

ummm....

First fo all I never remember being able to read the doomstones in Oblivion. and all Jyggalag said "Mortal, King, God? It seems uncertain, perhaps you will grow to your station, Farewell Sheogorath, Prince of Madness" he in no way said CoCs fate was unknown. Plus this confirms the fact that Yes, the CoC is Sheogorath, and Sheogorath is the CoC

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:22 pm

I look at it like this.

There is something I need to draw on a piece of paper with a ONE certain Pencil. I, personally, did all the work but I need this Pencil to finish the drawing once and for all. But after doing so, the Pencil broke forever.

Martin = Pencil. Drawing = Oblivion Crisis. Get the picture?

Obviously. Or Martin needed some muscle to close gates and fight daedra... before he could shut the gates permanently. I see what you mean. Neither perspective is right... or wrong.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:38 pm

In-game text from the doomstones, as well as Dyus and Jyggalag saying the fate of CoC is unkown as he defies their logical formulae, suggest that heroes can rule their own destiny

AFTER they completed their destiny.. No matter what you do, you are force to do the Mainquest in each ES Game.

Arena - You will always get the first message about first piece of the Staff of Chaos.
Daggerfall - You are actually sent to DF to investigate which leads to the MQ.
Morrowind - You get a message from Azura about your destiny that is ahead of you.
Oblivion - The Emperor sent you with the Amulet no matter what.
Skyrim - You sent to Whiterun no matter what you do either.

No matter what, you can't dodge the MQ. You will always begin it! Thus you can't dodge your destiny!