Face the music? Whose he answering to? At this point, I'm sure the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel is more powerful than the West Coast BoS; I'm sure the group of Elders back in California (or whoever is in charge these days) have more things to worry about.

EDIT: Didn't read thread, saw somebody else had the same point. Great minds? :hubbahubba:

In what way would Lyons BoS be more powerful then the Western BoS? Western BoS have been around since 2077 and are all over California and have chapters now. Lyons took a small group out to DC, while their at least half split off from him and became the outcast. Lyons has only been in DC for a couple of years and only has T-45b power armour. Lyons has resorted to giving DC tribals power armour.

Alot of people seem to forget the Outcast. They are also in DC and they don't like Lyons and Lyons does not have an endless supply of power armour or weapons. Sooner or later Lyons will be grounded down by they super mutants and the trouble between the outcast is going to come to blows.

If you didn't notice, NCR had their way with the BoS.

Grounded down by the super mutants? Check Broken Steel. By that point, Super Mutants are a rare find.

Why the hell would the LW be in the Mojave? What's worse is that you would accept the developers telling you exactly who YOUR character is?

If you didn't notice NCR only had their way with the Mojave Chapter. The BoS in New Vegas are not the whole western BoS. There is also alot of Mojave BoS left. NCR did not destroy them.

Broken Steel is just crap, way to many Enclave, way to many bos and full of bullet sponges IMO. Still there is the Outcast to deal with.

Again Western BoS have been around for 200 years long before NCR. They have bases all over California. NCR and BoS got along, its only in the Mojave that they ended up fighting and the fighting has ened.

If you believe that, you're naive. I never stated that the Mojave Chapter was the entire Western Brotherhood. If you don't want to accept Broken Steel as canon, that's your prerogative. Problem is, when its events still ring true in the next game.. snip

Where in New Vegas does it say that the Western Bos are almost gone? It does not. Lyons does not have the power to expand anywhere. Again still the outcast out there. There is also the MWBoS who have also been around for 80 or so years, way better established then Lyons. 3000 miles of America to cross. Legion territory and then finally the NCR itself and the well established western BoS.

The MWBoS is weakened as well; Lyons says it himself. Lyons also says that the Brotherhood as a whole has not been doing well. The fact that Arthur Maxson had to be sent to the Capital Wasteland is telling; remember, this is even before the Super Mutants were isolated to the remains of the city. The BoS had been in decline for ages. Give me a source that says that NCR-BoS war was only in the Mojave Wasteland. Explain to me what happened to all of the NCR's gold, then, if the BoS-NCR war only occurred in the Mojave Wasteland. Explain to me how a war between two sovereign entities remains an isolated incident.

They are in decline does not mean they are falling apart and almost gone. The war against BoS and NCR probably did spread beyond the Mojave but we have not learned of Lost Hills being destroyed. The fact that NCR's economy went to crap tells me BoS were kicking some butt. Mojave BoS only went into that hole because their leader was a wuss. The War ended and chances are the BoS being allies with NCR will be canon.

The Devs would not kill off the BoS without telling us. DC is a tiny little dot and California is huge. Brotherhood have been around long before NCR and they have built bases all over the place. They could have chapters outside of NCR territory.

Story with Maxson makes no sense then again little of FO3 made any sense. If you are facing trouble in at home why sent the last Maxson across unknown america with only a small company of BoS :glare:

Moria

The WBoS hides in thier bunkers while the NCR relentlessly wages a war of attrition against them. The EBoS is actually popular among the people around it.....unlike the WBoS, the EBoS can actually find people willing to enlist.



Lyons knows about Vault 87....thanks to the Lone Wanderer....once it is Scourged every super-mutant that is killed from then on is a step closer to final victory. And the Outcasts? No allies, no recruits, they are just as doomed as the WBoS chapters they are waiting in vain to come rescue them. As time goes by the Outcasts become weaker and the EBoS becomes stronger.



There has been extensive fighting with the BOS in the NCR, and the fighting continues there even if a truce is signed in the Mojave.

Actually I'de see this as the most likely person now that I think about it..

But god forbid she ever be unkillable.

Only the Mojave Chapter went under ground.

She *left* for the Commonwealth....that doesn't mean she gets there or if she does decides to go elsewhere later. The screams of rage from her many un-fans if it turned out to be her would be epic. Even better would be if she were marked Essential and Lady-Killer worked on her. Seducing the woman that was the OB who presided over your birth would have been creepy in FO3....but the courier has no prior relationship with her.

You're correct, because the California BoS is underground by default.

What? please explain..

They arn't underground. If they were then NCR's economy would be doing great.

My concern isn't "Who is it from FO3?" but "Will there be an option to RP as the Lone Wanderer who wandered far east over the three-ish years between FO3 and FONV and be recognized by them?"

It could be subtly flagged by some idle dialog with another NPC beforehand asking where you're from, and you could respond "From way out on the east coast", among other responses that would allow you to RP.

The annoying man

Do you not understand the fact that canon usually changes the players choices like the choices you make in FO1 and FO2 might not end up in new vegas.

Moira Brown? That's almost scarily plausible... It would explain the Wasteland Survival Guides laying around. But would she be human or ghoul?

Seriously, though. Wasn't the source for this the same one who claimed there would be 8 (regular, not pre-buy bonus) DLCs?

I can assure you Moira Brown is dead. I made a point of shooting her on every play though even the rare ones when I didn't blow up megaton. I would love to see Mayor Maccready and he was unkillable in FO3.

I would really love for her to come back just so I could kill her (assuming she is killable this time :hubbahubba: ) So pompous and rude, and she obviously had six with your dad! :flamed:

I would like to point out something called the cannon ending. Any assumption on someone NOT being capable of appearing due to how you played the game is utterly false.
Fallout 1's Cannon ending is good karmic hero ending, which is quite clear when playing fallout 2. As Marcus in New Vegas mentions traveling with a tribal and considers him a friend we can assume a good karmic ending for fallout 2. If we follow the tradition the good ending of fallout 3 will probably be a heroic lone wanderer.

Games rarely go for the darkside ending.

Now here's an idea maybe it will be Col Autumn, after all you never hear what happened to him if you let him go in fallout 3 and he could have escaped through the Taft Tunnel just like you did.


What music? the Western Brotherhood is in no condition to recall Elder Lyon's and Elder Lyon's would be far to busy in the aftermath of the Enclave war to concern himself with returning. Its also apparent the east and west coast had some means of communication before they cut ties. With all that enclave tech it be more likely the West coast would be kissing Lyon's butt.


Yes they are all underground, all the BoS bases in the west are underground bunkers.

Khazad-Dum?

James lit a fire in her belly for sure....her attitude problems stem from the fact he either a ) never noticed, or b ) just wasn't interested. I believe the former.....he was completely oblivious to her feelings for him and unintentionally hurt her terribly by never noticing her as a woman and disappearing after Catherine died. If you can get in to talk to her before James after you spring him from Vault 112 her mask slips for a moment and you see her real feelings that she's been hiding for years. I believe the real reason she left for the Commonwealth was she was convinced the LW was going to die and felt responsible and couldn't bear it. The LW is the child she wished she'd had....and all that is left of the love of her life, even if it was unrequited.

The Courier doesn't have the baggage with Madison the LW does.....a male Courier could save himself a lot of headaches by bedding her and making her forget all about James. The people who work with her would thank you.