» Fri May 27, 2011 9:16 pm The WBoS hides in thier bunkers while the NCR relentlessly wages a war of attrition against them. The EBoS is actually popular among the people around it.....unlike the WBoS, the EBoS can actually find people willing to enlist.
It is important to remember if one is reading the Vault Wiki or other sources which could establish canon which parts are not canon and which parts are. I looked through the Vault wiki and immediately stumbled upon the "war" pages. Before then, I knew they weren't canon, but I thought I should point out:
The following is based on Van Buren and has not been confirmed by canon sources.
The apparent "War With NCR" has been part of the Van Buren design documents, and is therefore not canon. I can understand how one can get this confused with real canon, as the NCR page on the vault wiki does not have the labeled caption regarding Van Burne canon.
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The above is based on non canon. Below is based on what is canon as of now.
This is all based on the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel page of the wiki. Looking at the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/NCR page will also point out the same apparent "war" but it is the same Van Buren non-canon source.
By 2231, Jeremy Maxson had assumed the position of Brotherhood High Elder. In addition to wanting to expand Brotherhood operations eastward, he was much more aggressive in his "hoarding" of pre-war technology. He wanted to restore the power of the Brotherhood by wresting all advanced tech from the hands of "lesser people" by any means necessary. Naturally, this led to disputes with the NCR, which had always been in favor of using advanced technology for the benefit of society (at least according to Thomas Moore, an NCR citizen, which is what he saw as the NCR's justification for trying to annex Vault City). Shortly after the destruction of the Enclave, a war broke out between the Brotherhood and the NCR.
With their superior technology, the Brotherhood managed to hold out against the NCR, even coming close to total victory. Yet, the Brotherhood's technological advantage was eventually outdone by the sheer size of the NCR's army; no matter how many troops the NCR lost, they always seemed to have more. The Brotherhood, on the other hand, were still a selective group, and thus, was short on numbers. With this discrepancy in troop numbers, the Brotherhood's defeat was imminent.
With their superior technology, the Brotherhood managed to hold out against the NCR, even coming close to total victory. Yet, the Brotherhood's technological advantage was eventually outdone by the sheer size of the NCR's army; no matter how many troops the NCR lost, they always seemed to have more. The Brotherhood, on the other hand, were still a selective group, and thus, was short on numbers. With this discrepancy in troop numbers, the Brotherhood's defeat was imminent.
The above is based on non canon. Below is based on what is canon as of now.
The Mojave chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel would be fighting the NCR as late as 2274. After establishing a base at HELIOS One, the Mojave Brotherhood soon found themselves at odds with the NCR and its growing power in the region. Eventually, the NCR sought to control HELIOS One, and the Brotherhood, under the orders of their Elder, Elijah, refused to leave. This led to a confrontation between the two, and in the typical chain of events, the Brotherhood's superior technology was no match for the NCR's superior numbers. Defeated in one of the bloodiest battles in the Brotherhood's history (according to Hardin, the Head Paladin), the Mojave chapter retreated to the Hidden Valley bunker, where Nolan McNamara (in light of Elijah's disappearance following the battle) took the role of Elder upon himself, and placed the bunker under lock-down. Since then, the Brotherhood's presence in the Mojave Wasteland has been confined to only a few scouting reports.
This is all based on the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel page of the wiki. Looking at the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/NCR page will also point out the same apparent "war" but it is the same Van Buren non-canon source.
In short, I can understand how one can mix up canon, especially is its not labeled on the wiki.
And last with this, if I recall correctly from playing Fallout 1 a couple of days ago, The Western BOS will allow you to join--provided you do a dangerous task for them. And they'll reluctantly let you join and treat you like an outcast for a bit, however they still let you join them. I think making a person do a trial to prove themselves at the glow is better than random recruitment. But my point is, just because the Mojave chapter doesn't want to let people in, doesn't mean the entirety of the Brotherhood do that.
Lyons knows about Vault 87....thanks to the Lone Wanderer....once it is Scourged every super-mutant that is killed from then on is a step closer to final victory. And the Outcasts? No allies, no recruits, they are just as doomed as the WBoS chapters they are waiting in vain to come rescue them. As time goes by the Outcasts become weaker and the EBoS becomes stronger.
I would personally like to point out what was said above: the Eastern BOS is severed from the main Western BOS unit, and until true canon can provide us evidence of the Western BOS as a whole breaking down, then one should reach the conclusion that the Eastern BOS is still weaker. They have one place, have half of their units severed from them into the Outcasts, and have a limited supply of tech. In my opinion, both the EBOS and the Outcasts are both doomed.
There has been extensive fighting with the BOS in the NCR, and the fighting continues there even if a truce is signed in the Mojave.
Again, this is incorrect. The war was based off of Van Buren canon, and the only established canon that has anything to do with an NCR and BOS conflict thus far is the Mojave chapter.
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The Brotherhood and the NCR in the Mojave Wasteland declared an official truce, despite continued hostilities between the two in the west. As per their agreement, the NCR handed over all suits of salvaged power armor and in return the Brotherhood helped patrol I-15 and Highway 95.
This isn't even in the canon, but based upon your choices. So one can't live this as canon until the canon source proves its truth, in which case, one can't use it to prove any points...its a rather moot point in that sense.
Sorry, I just had to point some of that stuff out because I'm a jerk like that.
I think it would be cool to have Lyons making contact, or one of the old companions like Fawkes. Three Dog would be really strange...
I think the character I would like to see again would be Mister Burke. Flesh out his character more in Sin City, where his character belongs better in my opinion. Or, do something with the Regulators.
I'm not sure though. I'd prefer my Capitol Wasteland to stay out of my Mojave more than anything.
