Flames and personal attacks are uncalled for.

So? It's their right,OK

However, for the modder's love of TES series,they really harm modder's heart

The more later CK be released,the sooner the game be dying.



I hope it's just a misunderstand.

Idiotic conspiracy theory. We don't have it because it's not ready yet - period. I am as anxious as the next guy but the OP IMHO borders on the insulting.

This, perhaps minus the 'idiotic'.

Skyrim had a hard deadline of 11/11/11. There was NO WAY they were going to miss that date. The creation kit would not be on the top of the priority list pre release. Heck they had a day 1 patch for the game, which obviously meant there were some issues they couldn't resolve before the game went gold but they had to get the ball rolling to hit 11/11 in time.

They simply haven't gotten to it done yet. Everyone calm the [censored] down with the nerdrage It's coming.

i actually agree with sounaipr

the fact that the game isn't moddable YET doesn't make the game any worse, in fact, it forces you to first experience the game as it is originally, and it kind of forces you to first explore the world

and i highly doubt there is much of a relation between CK being released and "the game dying" because it won't, in fact, MOST people are perfectly happy just playing the vanilla version anyways, i'm hoping for the CK to be released soon as well, but i'm not going to whine about it until it is, because i do enjoy the game either way

lots of valid points here, but why doesn't Beth keep us updated with their progress? I bought two copies of the game (1 on ps3 to play and 1 on PC to mod while I play on ps3 for reference reasons) I would have waited on the PC purchace if I had known there was gonna be such a delay.Completely agree with every word from the OP.

/agree

You haven't gotten the point.

The point is : if modders were angry,and the game would be near dying.

Though the game is powerful,however, the extension of game is the non-substitutable feature of TES.



If just for their earning money plans,they restrict the lover's creativities to make more MOD that will make threats to their money of selling DLC....



I don't think Modders will be happy and feel so good about what the Beth does....

It seems so Mercenary.



YES,Mercenary.We hate it.

So I hope it's just a misunderstanding,TES is my favorite game.

Does it?

Even if I simply won't buy the game until the CK is released?

no, YOU haven't gotten the point,
modders BOOST sales, a lack of modders might reduce sales SLIGHTLY but the game will not die without mods, because it's an awesome game, with or without mods.
the fact that you guys have "gotten used to" playing with mods doesn't change a thing about that, the game might be better with mods, but that doesn't mean that it's bad without them
as stated, i will agree that mods are a nice addition, and now that i have the PC version i will be creating/using mods, but when i was playing the 360 version of oblivion, i didn't miss mods even for a second throughout the several hundred hours i've spent playing it
also, at NO (read it, about 50 times: NO) point in time has bethesda EVER(again, READ IT: EVER) stated to be delaying the CK, IN ANY WAY


i mean, exactly what is the DISADVANTAGE of buying the game now, that's what i don't get,
prices aren't going to drop,
you're not getting any bonuses,
you're just denying yourself the playtime you're going to have to put in to it anyway in order to get to actually know the game and the engine and the world and whatever

Ah, resorting to ad hominem attacks now. This makes your arguments that much stronger, obviously.


You don't understand how economics work. In particular, you don't understand the concept of economic value of an object.

To me, Skyrim without the CK is worth about $10, with CK about $60. So if I'll have the cash to spare, and no CK will be released, I'll buy it as soon as the price will be at or below my personal evaluation of the game's worth. When the CK will be released, I'll do the same, only the (perceived, personal) value of the game will be higher.

That's basic economics. You only buy things for at most as much as they are worth to you.

Consolers like to keep throwing up that numbers post as if it means something, but it doesn't include digital sales. Next time they think that's a trump card, show them http://techgage.com/articles/editorials/september_11/nvidia_trends_07.png.

According to that sales graph, PC games sales for 2011 were 6:1 ratio for digital vs. boxed. So for every boxed copy of a PC game that sells, 6 digital copies are sold.

That means, based on that post and the average for all PC games and using the numbers from that linked post, the 133,903 boxed versions of Skyrim sold has a digital download counterpart of 803,418, for a grand total of 937,321 PC copies sold. Compare that to the 698,614 number for 360.


If I had the option, every piece of software I own would have a disk. I hate the digital trend. No backup disks just makes restoring/reinstalling tedious and unnecessarily time consuming just so companies can save a few cents per customer.

not specifically ad hominem, i directed my remark towards you only because you were the person i was talking to at the time, i was referring to a more general term, meaning you can't make a good mod for a game you have no experience playing
and your economic remark would only be valid if there was no guarantee that the CK would be released, in this case, you can be 100% certain the CK will be released, just not when, so my question was how is buying your 10$ perceived worth game with the guarantee the other 50$ value being added for free later worse than buying the 60$ perceived worth after the CK has been released

Is there a guarantee, then? Can I have it in writing, signed by a Bethesda CEO or anyone else with the right to sign such papers?

Until I have such or the CK, I value the game at $10. Why not? That's my evaluation. If it means I'll get the game a bit later, so what? What's the hurry, really?

Your probably not in the right forum if you dont own the game and have no intention of buying it unless they happen to release a piece of software they are under no obligation to give out...

They may release it with the patch? Just a thought.

Oh, so you don't believe in informing yourself about a product before you buy it?

Also, read again what I wrote. I do intend to buy the game. Just its value to me - and as such, the amount of money I'm willing to spend for it - is different depending on the availability of the CK.

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