I don't really care if the creation kit gets delayed, if they use that time to fix the obvious performance issue in towns & problems with menus.

Its not free. Many of us wouldnt have gotten the game without the promise of its toolset.

Without a toolset, this game is nothing. A nice looking blank canvas, at most.

Personally, I'm not even going to blame ZeniMax:

So, yes, Bethesda has their modding tools, and we want them. But we already know that the game itself crashes on some machines -- there are a zillion possible combinations of adapters and drivers out there, and even if every person in Bethesda was using six unique machines that would still only be six hundred machines they would have been testing on. (And I doubt they have been doing anything so non-productive.)

So, anyways, I think that some people really want the game to be stable on their machines, and I'm sure that's tying up Bethesda's testers and developers and release engineers and so on. And, the fixes they apply to address machine problems are probably going to be relevant to the creation kit also (unless we really want an unfair situation where only some people can mod the game).

Plus there's the whole thing of getting it to install cleanly, fixing up any bugs that everyone just knew to avoid, and (hopefully) writing some reference and tutorial docs. (And, if only they would release solid documentation their updated nif and animation file formats... anyways...)

Anyways, we know they have bugs to fix, and they do not have anywhere near the number of people that we (the modding community) has.

I can certainly wish for more than they can give, but I am also inclined to be forgiving when they do not or maybe cannot.

Delaying the kit untill the DLC is avaliable for XBOX is plausible. it wouldn't make much sense to delay DLCs to non-XBOX plataforms to then give PC version the kit earlier. The part about delaying it after the release of that DLC for PC wouldn't be very clever though. Mods didn't harm DLC sales at all. Many mods need or sinergice very well with DLCs, and this obviously increase the sales.

Morrowind shipped with the TES editor on a 2nd disk. I can't recall if oblivion shipped with it's at launch or not.

As I remember it, it did.

You do realise that 75% of the people who purchased Skyrim will never be able to use mods because of consoles, right? Without a toolset the game is still awesome.

Ah, but that's cause you can't miss what you never had! Us PC gamers are used to mods, so a TES game without mods...is not complete.

Despite the fact that the OP was so far out on a limb, he is now sprawled out beneath the tree with broken pride and a possible hospital visit in his future...

Is this really THAT big of a deal? It will be out soon... thats good enough for me, as has been said a few times now. I don't see this as a failure of business considering they are trying to do bug fixing and direct the truck loads of cash they are getting to the company swimming pool (Btw, physical copies of the game have sold past 3.4 million units since release). Further, I don't see this as some sort of attack on the PC gaming community. They will get it out before a month and greater than another day from now... thats just find. If people are so desperate for mods, there are some already available... granted your not getting player houses or Dwemer strongholds yet... but so what? Most people want minor stuff fixed like Interface and graphical bugs... these are being fixed by those few true lunatics who are already modding, toolset be damned.

Please. PLEASE. Do YOU realize that these are the original fans of the series worried about whether they will be able to continue to put in hundreds of hours of work for staggeringly disproportional gain, for the sake of making better the game that they love?

Where did you get that 75% of players will buy or bought the console version...? Did you know that 80% of statistics are made up on the spot?

Would probably hurt the dlc sale on pc as many had dropped the game and moved on.
Yes the dlc on oblivion was pretty bad as in tesnexus has much better dlc, except the mega dungeon with the dagger and knights of the nine.
However Skyrim is promised dlc the size of the ones in fallout 3 or larger, making it valuable, like SI they will probably be required for mods.

Even if we could it would do nothing for console users and they are the vast majority of DLC consumers.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1243446-1000000-american-pre-orders. They don't include digital downloads, but it's pretty clear that consoles are a huge majority.

ROFL! I think that's exactly what many of us are afraid of!

Bah. Heathens. Heathens that may keep TES alive, but heathens still.

TES is kept alive by modders. They're sacrificing quality for quantity.

For those of you talking about dates of release for the Construction Sets... Morrowind's shipped with the game, and Oblivion's was available for download a week or so before the game was released. I don't know if it ever shipped with the physical game.

Consoles are majority but i am willing the bet the digital downloads of the PC version more than double the amount of pre-orders of the PC version and not only that that site has been proven multiple times to be way off on a lot of their pre-order statistics over the last few years.

Oh Talos, the entitlement complex.

Each individual game's community is kept alive by modders. The franchise in general is kept alive by the console players, who give Bethesda the money they need to keep making these huge, expensive games.

I am sure the consoles were huge, and the PC sales will go up even further when people start spotting the mods rolling out hundreds at a time and how the game can be changed. I have friends who use consoles and love em, but they often also buy the PC game as well because they like modding or playing modded versions. Console, you cant mod em much and if you could there would be limitations, not to mention getting a smacked bottom for even mentioning it. Ouch! Anyway I dont do consoles.

Makes more sense for them to fix the game first and then sort the creation kit. Besides which while we wait...good time to learn how to texture. I for one would far prefer to wait for the kit and instead have the game glitchs fixed first.

So Steam doesn't release numbers... but it would be nice if Bethesda did... surely they have accurate counts?

I just can't help myself, sorry.


But... but... they didn't do that stuff before releasing the main game, and it wasn't delayed.