Oops, I apologize, I am on the forums via phone and it tends to skip down sometimes, I read OP's post and when I continued, your post was the next thing on my screen and I thought it was part of his original post. I meant no offense or personal attack towards you.

Also about the whole "no right to complain" thing, that is *not* my attitude. By all means, rage to the heavens. I'm one of those people that hated ME3's ending and still do even with that half-assed extended cut.

But can you honestly say you are not a little tired of the same type of topic being present as the subject of half the topics on the board? (along with the marry Serana thing)

Edit: and btw I am very calm and have no reason for any illogical hate targetting, I think you jumped to a pretty angry conclusion about how I may feel about you (to be honest I don't think I've even directly spoken to or quoted you in the past. I know this is probably gonna annoy you but...calm down, I have nothing against you most of my post was directed at the original topic post and my phone just got me mixed up with yours looking like a continuation of said post.

Alduin is supernatural. But my point was that there will be crossover in the fantasy genre, it is unavoidable, in part due to the sheer size and volume of the genre but also because people are influenced by great ideas, great characters, great themes from other stories within the genre. Inspiration in most cases, copying in a few, and some are just homage to a great idea.

If you don't like it, don't click it.

As someone who frequents the Skyrim forums in general moreso to make sure my personal criticisms are heard amongst the overwhelming praise and less-so because I actually play the game. Because tbh I REALLY don't like Skyrim, don't understand the overwhelming praise it gets in light of....well, ALL past TES and FO titles published by Bethesda, and I'd REALLY prefer if the next game released by Bethesda had less of a Skyrim feel and went back to...well any of the previous titles! Quality on par with Oblivion, FO3, Morrowind, New Vegas; I really don't care, as to me, any of them would be an improvement to Skyrim.

In that sense I respect people who voice their complaints. They're only trying to ensure their voice is heard. Maybe for you it doesn't matter if Bethesda is ripping-off old clichés instead of producing more original themes and storylines, but for some people that means everything. And yeah I personally don't give a damn if we can marry Serana or not, but some people do. Maybe I'll voice my own opinion that it doesn't matter the first couple threads, but afterwards I just don't click them as they're mx cup of tea. Just think of posting a thread about it as voting. After a bit it may seem redundant, but yeah, every person SHOULD have a right to "vote." (of course it's not an actual vote, but their voice is being heard nonetheless)

Someone, somewhere high up in the ranks at Beth is like, "Oh my God, they know!!!!! What do we do now?". It wouldn't surprise me...

Bloated corpses feasting on flesh..? Wendigos?

Well actually Babette is an Easter Egg to IWV so it is fine

Bethesda stole ideas from the movies Van Helsing and Blade Trinity? Please, tell me how original and ground breaking these movies are.

Which is irrelevant.

The matter at hand is that, for some, cliché and unoriginal ideas are unappealing. Whether Skyrim ripped off an original idea that became successful, or whether Skyrim ripped off an idea that's been done a thousand times before? I can see how that'd matter to some (some might argue ripping off a new, original idea is pathetic, because you're trying to reap rewards from their idea in their lifetime, before they're even done getting their full rewards), but I think in this case it's just a matter of cliché ideas not being super interesting stories, as they're predictable and basic.

To be fair though, most media nowadays is drowning in cliché ideas and predictable plots. Even the "plot twist" has now become so predictable that most often a real plot twist is a lack of a plot twist heh.

I can see how many people are upset with ripped off or stale ideas. Hell, I was rolling my eyes when I was *gasp* betrayed yet again a the end of a quest line (because obviously none of the previous faction quests involved anything of the sort happening *cue eye-roll*)

For some people these things are good and fun and for others it all feels disappointing because they see how it could be so much better. In my case it is a mixed bag since I love vampires of any sort save the flat-toothed glittery ones and since Underworld 1-2 are easily some of my favourite action horror movies with Markus being one of those shallow movie villains I love simply for his stupid "cool-factor" and the vampire lord allowing me to play with that a bit.

Is Dawnguard cliché and predictable? Yes. Is Skyrim a a whole cliché and predictable? Hell yes. Do I hope the next DLC will have more originality? Definately.

Did I have fun with Dawnguard though? Yes, it was worth it to me (I pay more for my lunch or dinner on a daily basis so it is just pocket change to me) but I do see how or some others might disagree.

Wait, have you played the DLC yet? In fact, has anyone here who's moaning played the DLC and let alone paid any kind of attention at all? Humans vs Vampires. At its very base, it's a cliche yes. It's the STORY that sets one a part from another. Underdogs trying to split from the big bad government AKA Skyrim Civil War, cliche. But the story of it made it interesting and even morally ambiguous (hence the debates on which side is right that still happen now).

In fact the whole Dragonborn story is pretty cliche, "Become who you were born to be!" People are just nitpicking the ever living hell out of Dawnguard because they have to pay for it, and therefore need to find as many reasons as possible to avoid getting it so their decision is justified to everyone else.

If you guys don't want to buy Dawnguard, that's cool, it's your choice, but don't come to the forums to try and convince everyone else your boycott was the way to go so you'll feel better.

People have been asking for vampire quests for a long time. People have been bugging bethesda since oblivion came out and had none. So they gave fans of the elder scrolls vampires what they have been asking for. It might not be perfect but its better then nothing.

Couldn't have said it better myself. This is sadly not a triple faction choice thing like Morrowind had but it is still not as bad as some people make it out to be. I think half of the complaints I have seen on this board are in fact from people who never played the DLC though. That does say a lot about it.

Personally I rarely take the criticisms and complaints seriously when they come from people that never actually took a gander at the movie/book/game/whatever that they are riling against

Oh yeah btw...what in DG is a rip-off of blade again? The Blade movies are my favorites of all time but i dont see any similarities to DG

DG has blades in it like swords and stuff. Shares the same word as the title of Blade. Also there are vampires.

I suppose some really desperate soul trying really really hard to justify their angry calls might bring up the red line going down your chin as a vamp as a Reaper ripoff xD

Or the fact that a Redguard Vampire that can walk aroun in the day is a total ripoff. Believe me, people will make all kinds of insane connections when they try to prove their weak points

I figured as much. I can see a connection to Underworld and everything Vamp-related is connected to dracula but other than that it doesnt seem like it is ripping much off

Hell we could say their ripping off The Simpsons because they stole Mr.Burns idea of blocking the sun!

that would make things to difficult on the new fans to Elder Scrolls.

If I recall correctly the elderscrolls series has never had a Vampire heavy questline, let alone a faction that hunts them, or a faction that are vampires. I liked the DLC, but there could have been more content such as MARRIABLE followers.

While this is true and I will say the Dawnguard story is decent, I still think the point is that we HAD a completely original vampire concept: the Volkihar. But they got retconned down to a more cliché factor. It's not that the ENTIRE story is cliché, but rather that Bethesda had a very VERY good chance to do something original, and they opted for a compromise between original and cliché. It's this compromise that some might not agree with, as it goes against all artistical progression. They willingly went backwards; that general philosophy seems odd and quite stupid/lazy/solely focused on luring new customers in for more profit.

Morrowind had 3 vampire factions depending on your playstyle (melee/magic/stealth) though they weren't exactly all that great compared to all the other factions available in the game. But then again Morrowind also made being a vampire a very painful affair no one wanted to talk to you an quite a few people attcked you on sight if memory serves (I have not played MW in 2 years and stopped playing my vampire character 2 years before that)

Now we can both agree that the unoriginal retcon is stupid, yes. I just don't see it as justification for people to go around on the forums saying they want their money back and that everything about the story is garbage ect. ect. But other then that, yes, I agree with you, and I wish they would've stuck with previously established material.

You know the "slippery slope" argument? Yknow, where maybe a congressman says "if we allow marijuana use, then what next? Cocaine??"

I've always thought it was a stupid argument. It's hyperbolic and non-objective. However, I have to admit I think it could have more merit in a capitalistic setting. If a company slowly weans it's customers from higher-quality content and delivers only decent content, then they profit. If the first product is an outrageous hit it attracts a following, if the second is still a hit but not as great, they still make money for less cost. And so on and so on, with them getting more (or the same amount of) money for less work. It's in their interest to test the boundaries and try and pinpoint the right balance of quality and profit.

I'm not the type to boycott an entire game or walk away from a company over something like this either (at least not on the first offense, though for me it's not so much a boycott but rather losing faith in the company), but I can definitely understand the argument of those that do. They could be of the opinion that if you want the top stop testing the boundaries of quality and profit, you need to come down on them HARD the moment they start doing it. You need to make sure you definitely make the loss in quality an unprofitable decision for them.

Maybe if you stopped comparing dawnguards material to outside material and just argue that it fits the lore of the elder scrolls series it would make more interesting reading. lol.

It doesnt fit the lore