No, I vanished when GOW with a dialogue system that was ME2 came out. When the "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" was DAO. EA is a hell of a magician. They made lots of the original Bio fans vanish.

I still think their whole ME-series is top-notch. But as far as their rpg section goes they somewhere lost track...to multiple things, like: What their fans like (DA just better, instead we got DA just much worse), what the industry-standard is (on things like level design, graphics, game mechanics), even their sanity maybe. XD

Trust me, I know what EA does(I [censored] HATE THEM!), but to say Bioware has not matterd since ME1 is kinda' wrong.

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Admittedly waiting for the DLC I will actually care about in DA II though I love Felica but I want sebastians story or an exspansion past the end, unless theyve sneaked it in with one of the other ones, I hope they don't pull a lionhead and release nothing but the fluff ones over the conituation of the story before the new character in the sequel again, shame too I liked the voiced protagonist, with the choice I could still roleplay, I just had a sixy as hell voice in my RP character, its no worse off then being given limited unvoiced choices that don't even cover the bases.

I wouldn't say DA:O tried any harder to be a movie then skyrim does, and at least does a better job at it including having choices that change the reel. Certainly no harder then oblivion tried with its opening sequence. Hype isn't the games fault either, I missed the hype on Fable 1 cause I didnt have an xbox, when I got the game I fell in love with it for what it was, the story of the archons and finding my family with fun be it simple and easy gameplay, but amazing for the world even though corridorred it still felt like you traversed a fantastic world with unique and beautiful enviroments to look at. Then FII came along and because I waited for it I caught the hype, although the loss of so many features was more dissapointing then broken hype and the same for FIII which had lost so much and gained so little the second half of which feels like watching a movie but theres only stills with 15 minute gaps in the story between them, the ending completely missing while your left boggled on what was that and why was it coming. I missed the hype on DAO too so that probally helped and wanting the sequel may have led to the negative impact it had. I can't say it's not the same for this, the time gap hasnt been kind either I'm sure, but in all 3 you see a simalar trend, shinier graphics the odd new but shallow feature, shallower plots to some extent or just fewer of them and worst of all the loss of loved features.

No, I vanished when GOW with a dialogue system that was ME2 came out. When the "spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate" was DAO. EA is a hell of a magician. They made lots of the original Bio fans vanish.

I still think their whole ME-series is top-notch. But as far as their rpg section goes they somewhere lost track...to multiple things, like: What their fans like (DA just better, instead we got DA just much worse), what the industry-standard is (on things like level design, graphics, game mechanics), even their sanity maybe. XD

Hence they haven't mattered since ME1. They are a sell out joke now. An EA puppet.
No, They haven't. unless you like games that are a shadow of their former self. Like the joke that was ME2.

Oh come on now, whats wrong with ME2?

Did you use to be on the Bioware forums, I lost confidence in them after they butchered Mass Effects RPG system in Mass Effect 2.
They should have kept it more RPG they most certainly have lost their way in terms of how to make an RPG.

yeah. I remember hearing a few disturbing things a few months before ME2 came out. I voiced my worries on that forum and was run off by the most ridiculous fan boys Ive ever, ever seen. I voiced my concern on having no inventory system, and was called a troll for 3 pages. LOL at those same fan boys when they got a hold of ME2.

Did you use to be on the Bioware forums, I lost confidence in them after they butchered Mass Effects RPG system in Mass Effect 2.
They should have kept it more RPG they most certainly have lost their way in terms of how to make an RPG.

So, they changed 20 little steps which where, on their own, hardly a difference, into just 4 bigger steps, where every step felt like a difference. They changed quantity into quality. That's all.

Plus the shooter-part was much better in ME2. And, to be honest, ME was never meant as a pure rpg either.

So, they changed 20 little steps which where, on their own, hardly a difference, into just 4 bigger steps, where every step felt like a difference. They changed quantity into quality. That's all.

Plus the shooter-part was much better in ME2. And, to be honest, ME was never meant as a pure rpg either.

LOL at anything Bios done since the buyout that could be considered "quality".

LOL at anything Bios done since the buyout that could be considered "quality".

yeah. I remember hearing a few disturbing things a few months before ME2 came out. I voiced my worries on that forum and was run off by the most ridiculous fan boys Ive ever, ever seen. I voiced my concern on having no inventory system, and was called a troll for 3 pages. LOL at those same fan boys when they got a hold of ME2.

DA2 by itself would be an average game at worst, you are right. Except it was the sequel to DA:O. That changes everything, when a sequel failed to improve upon the previous game and made changes for the worst, it's a bad game. It is that simple. Also the lack of effort to the game was evident which drives fans even more disappointed. If Skyrim was no where near as big and detailed as any previous TES games, and with only a handful of recycle dungeons rather the hundreds of locations we have now, you will be raging too. Oh also there are invisble walls everywhere. Would that still be an average game in your book?

Well I've got to like them, They're making Generals 2.
And they put the bases back!

I hope you don't hate me, but I find such extreme positions ridiculous. Imho the world is not black and white, its shades of grey.

I thought DA:II being horribad was one of those rare things ito which mankind as a whole agreed.

I hope you don't hate me, but I find such extreme positions ridiculous. Imho the world is not black and white, its shades of grey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or5fxNGEyNU

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The shooter part? Thats all ME2 was, shooter parts.

Yeah, EA will find a way to ruin that. While nickel and diming you beyond what youd even see in a Civ DLC ploy.

Hahah. Funny pic.

To be fair, Bioware had already started moving in the 'cutting' direction after BG2. It's not all EA's fault.

And Bethesda has done this, too. Except it's done it more gracefully and logically.



You forgot the cutscenes.

At the core, the difference between Bioware and Bethesda is this:

Fighting + Cutscenes = DA2

Fighting + Lollygagging + Exploring + Lore = Skyrim

I cant argue against anything you've said. Although there was no grace in the removal of spell creation.

Grey? Post EA buyout Bioware is a joke that has done nothing but get worse over the EA years. What grey is there? What good is there out of the destruction of a company's genre? WTF? Bioware is dead.