Someone posted a thread about that a few days ago, basically trying to ascertain how real the problem was.

It was an interesting read. I've tended to avoid towns while playing DG - just want to get on with the quest, really - so I couldn't really say.

EDIT: Sorry, Ludovicus, just seen your thread in the next forum down where you discuss this in much more detail - didn't see that!

This argument has been going on since along as I can remember. Yes Bethesda's games have bugs, more so than the majority of games out there.Try imagining how big the world they create really is. Now imagine having some [censored], us gamers, go into that world and screw around with every plausible thing. It's impossible to remove all of these bugs. I think they've managed to do a pretty good job at doing so. The only thing that boggles my mind is how the PS3 version of Skyrim had the save file bug early on. That was something they must of known was there but decided they had to get the game out and fix it later.

After all skyrim crashes alot less than Oblivion did.For me Skyrim usually crashes on loading screens,when leaving or entering a cell.So the stability has been improved a little but could be better.What bothers me alot more are quest bugs or game breakers of course.I could live with a few crashes here and there,but they should really fix the amjor bug ASAP!

Yeah, but they sell their product as "perfect" and then you think "oh, they did it right this time" and then you find out it isn't "right". Now, i don't see them selling their product and saying"yup, buy our game... glitched, i warn you, but amazing ". Following your statement, if they don't say that then they are committing fraud

Yes and its dissapointing that it's always the same issues with every game,"the usual suspects".It's frustrating and annoying i think.

Give us a quote from Beth saying it's free of bugs before release and you have a point.

ive played bethesda games cor years and learned the best way to counter bugs and glitches was thru console and a decent machine. The mistake im so pissed about os their mistake of taking stuff out in exchange for cool and shallow.

And yes seeing the reviews from 360 owners, no I will not be buying this dlc and the game will continue to gether dust on my harddrive...until they can give me some meat and not and abundance of gerber baby food.

Next time they should write on the cover"Including all your favourites from previous games->Mister bugs,Lola crashes & the infamous Lagtroll"

You see? i understand now why some people think we are the "cancer" that is destroying videogame quality, but i think it's because of people like you.

Do you know what is a fraud "by omit"?
At least that exists on my country (offering something, you buy it, and after making the sign, they say "hey, but it isn't perfect!"), if this doesn't exists on your country, then i feel sorry for you

That would be pathetic but honest ... i think anybody could not complain after reading this and buying it anyway, another world this would be

I never said anything of the sort, so keep your insults to yourself and stop trying to put words in my mouth.

I know full well what fraud is, and it certainly doesn't apply to a game which is generally stable and is being patched, tweaked and improved to get it as close to your ideal of 'perfect' as possible. I know skyrim isn't perfect, but I tell you what, you find me a bug free game, or back up your spurious knee-jerk posts with something other than 'I say this so it's right' and I'll concede. Until then I'll happily call you out when you state your opinion as fact.

I think what really bothers him,me and other people is the fact that it's always the same problems with TES&Fallout games.And sadly i dont see that changing in the future.The Elder Scrolls VI will suffer from the same problems,trust me.I would bet hundret bucks on it.Do they think we customers are stupid cattle?After so many games nothing has changed,it's ridiculous.

I expect it. The day there are no bugs is the day they stop pushing things as far as they can. Don't like it, fair enough, but don't expect it to change any time soon.

Agreed,it probably wont change.Maybe we should go back to 8bit games

If you like, i have quite the console museum. Fancy a round of atari pong? Terminator on the Commodore? How about castlevania (if my nes actually worked that is )

Sadly, ambition, talent and boundary pushing go hand in hand with frustration...

Bethesda should pay me for the amount of enthusiastic advertising I did for them preaching about how great Skyrim was going to be to anyone that would listen after all of the broken quests and freezes. I've got Morrowind GOTY for PC and Xbox, Oblivion GOTY, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas Ultimate Edition, and Skyrim. I'm sorry to say that they've gotten the last bit of money from me that I'm willing to spend and I feel like I've been ripped off in the end. The games were fun but the experience of each was almost completely ruined by the frustration of having to load previous saves, or start an entirely new game in an attempt to circumvent broken quests or horrible bugs. Every single game of theirs which I own still has these issues. The freezes are the most pronounced, and they occur every time I play any of the above games. I doubt I've ever had a single play session without this happening, and Skyrim is the first game to save multiple auto saves to get around the corrupted save file issue. I mean ffs. There is no way in hell that these games are tested whatsoever before release. It's absolutely impossible to play from start to finish without encountering an apocalyptic bug and at the very least, several dozen (or hundred, [censored] you not) freezes. And it's not a hardware compatibility issue, so don't go there.

Yes, you've already gotten alot of money from me and you probably don't care if I buy another game or dlc or whatev but I'm very sorry to say that after all of these years, I'm taking my business elsewhere.

I freeze once a day. Oh. My. God. Run for the hills.

I never get crashes or freezes unless I mod it up.

Maybe something else 7 years old is the problem ...

Only had one desktop crash and Amren talk with his wife from other side of town when you enter other than that nothing it runs just fine for me.

i don't some of you people just saying. i mean some people say that while there playing if a quest gets broken that they will restart there game or what ever if a quest gets broken on any of my games i just keep going and try to go for it the next play through.

I found that the game freezes much less if you install it. Unfortunately, that also requires over 3 Gb of disc space.

I think they do learn from their mistake, they listened to alot of critisism from Oblivion, and it's clear alot of things ppl didn't like from that are improved in Skyrim, but yeah I have to agree with bugs it's not so much altho I think one of the reasons is because skyrim is so complex & non-linear it opens many gateways to bugs, being on all platforms doesn't help either.

I also think that they will learn their mistakes when they make Elder Scrolls 6, what with the enormous success from Skyrim, I'm sure they can afford to blow a lil more on testers.

I want to upgrade Castle Volkihar from every square inch and marry serena

I actually found Skyrim to be much more stable than Morrowind or Oblivion. 'Tis only me?

That doesn't fly with DLC. No. They had a sizable group of beta testers and they openly chose to ignore them.