I've bought and played every TES and Fallout game from Bethesda,but i'am really starting to wonder if they learned something from past mistakes.I'am talking about all the freezes/crashes and huge amount of bugs in their games.Oblivion,Skyrim,Fallout3 and Fallout NV suffered from the same problems.All those games crashed alot and had a huge amount of bugs,sometimes game breaking ones.How hard can it be to correct the mistakes they made so many times before.A normal,logic thinking person wouldn't make such a mistake twice.Usually you learn from past mistakes and advance,move on to improve,no?
Now some people would say"Its a huge world/game and you cant fix every bug before release".While that is partially true,they knew that it would be simular to previous games and still didn't bother to prevent it.

Now with Skyrim/Dawnguard they make exactly the same mistakes.Maybe the 10 year old engine is the problem?I have no idea where the problem is located with all this freezing,bugs.Maybe they dont care,maybe laziness,maybe its a matter of money?I dont know but i'am considering to not buy the next DLC and boycott it.I'am geting tired of this,feeling like in a time warp,like in the movie Groundhog Day.

Feel free to let off some steam

Don't buy it then, it's your choice... also Bethesda didn't make Fallout NV, they just published it.

fallout nv was made by obsidian... yes.
You can like skyrim and say what he said in his post, hes just saying the truth.

It doesn't matter if Beth made NV or not.It uses the same engine and suffers from the same problems.
And yes it is my choice and thats good.It's the only tool given to us costumers to make a difference.I want to add that if four games in a row suffer from the same problems,then something is going terribly wrong.

Thanks for your productive post.

I have only ever experienced one game breaking bug in skyrim...but it seemed to have been fixed with the new update hehe.

I hardly ever get perma-freezes. Just saying...

As to making the same mistakesbug-wise, they are in fact, as you acknowledge, a byproduct of the size of the game. Want an ambitious game? Be prepared to deal with bugs. I hope Beth NEVER play it safe. Y'hear me Todd? Be dangerous

Of course I've had a taste of your pain OP. when I finally managed to buy hjerim at the 4th reroll, the game bugged again to stop me from being able to decorate it

Yeah the Blood on Ice quest was a pain.On four playthroughs i only managed to get the quest to buy it once.Completely broken quest.And even atfer i bought it,the weapon racks were broke.
PS:Four ambitous games with the same problems?

I can count the number of crashes I've hand since November on one hand, which is about the same as I've had for most games that I play for copious amounts of time. Crashes and freezes happen. It's a flaw of the technology. It's a pain in the ass, but it's one of those things you learn to deal with.

It depends on various factors.Crashes are,yes.Bugs are a flaw of technologie?Well i dont think so.

PS:Oblivion for example crashed every five or six hours.It was a known problem and wide spread.Same for Fallout3 and skyrim is not that different.You are one of the few lucky people.

Well, bugs happen as well. I'm just glad we live in an age where things like that can be patched on the fly on consoles. Once upon a time if you got a game with a bug, that bug was there for good.

Yup. It's not like fable where they left in identibugs ( breadcrumb trail in 2 and 3). These are honestly by-products of ambitiousness. If your gonna blaze a trail, there will be problems

You don't know much about software development I presume, it's not something you just "learn not to do".

Oh and it uses parts from the old engine, so I guess this is the exact same engine that ran Morrowind as well, I mean the two games look and work exactly alike...

Sorry to say every game has bugs and a company will never get them worked out 100%, even morrowind to this day still has some issues most go unnoticed players. There are games out there with 10X more issues then any Bestheda game FF14 is a primary example is was released in a crappy bug filled state. One thing holds true not everyone is going to suffer the same issues when it comes to a game, perfection like everything else in this world is just a wet dream.

It's not the engine it's the hardware they just lack the memory to cope with them.I just hope bethesda learns to write a decent fing story and characters and not just cram it full of "cool"

People get a warped view on bethesda games when it comes to performence, skyrim is unplayable or it keeps freezing god dam bethesda why don't you learn , lucky if my skyrim has froze 5 times people come here to complain about freezing not to praise it by that fact alone it's hugely warped.

I guess my dance rituals around my xbox 360 and my pc stopped these bugs because i have never seen or had a bug in any Bethesda game i have owned. The only time i had an issue was morrowind. If you displeased with a product then learn from it and wait for other people to play it and tell you how they like it or what bugs they are going to have with it.

it probably due to the size of their games. no matter how much time they spend on them there will always be a large amount of bugs

I've had Skyrim freeze what, six times in the 300 or so hours I played it? Oblivion which apparently froze "every five hours" never froze at all for me, and it's undoubtedly my most played game. Never had any problems with the Fallout games. Some people just have really bad luck. Having said that, I am not keen on the amount of glitchy quests in Skyrim. The amount of undroppable quest items I have is just ridiculous.

My game hasn't crashed in weeks (i play on PS3) and although sometimes the work they do on the bugs are questionable they still work spend a while releasing patches and stuff, i mean if it bothers you that much then don't buy their products.

I must be one as well then because my game hardly ever crashes either.

what about the vampire attacks which will eventually leave towns lifeless? this isnt even a bug and its game breaking -.-

Freezes are differnet depending on the Xbox's hardrive, and storage. Next time they release a DLC etc, you should beta test it and then we'll see if you feel the same way mkay? Mkay.

They have learned from some of their mistakes, but also made more as they went along. I remember when riding Shadowmere the fastest horse in oblivion out in the wilderness the screen had to load the new terrain every few minutes, which sometimes would take forever.. In Skyrim you rarely see this and only if you are traversing great distances or changing environment very quickly. Some mistakes they made were taking out all the choices you got to make in Morrowind . Like in morrowind you could chose belts, different daedric weapons, and lot of other stuff Oblvion and Skyrim didn't have.

really because the game glitches your not gonna buy it and boycot it lmao. who gives a [censored] if it glitches or there a bunch of bugs. actually the only time i've ever really had a problem bug/glitch wise was yesterday when i finally got dawnguard it started to lagg and freez a lot. but it didn't make me want to stop playing. i just kept going and restarting my 360 every time it would freez up on me. i played for like 4 hours before it cleard up and stopped lagging. and then played for another 5 and a 1/2 hours after that.

well then again these are all my thoughts on what you said but hey thats what you think and this is what i think. if you relly hate bugs and glitches that much to wear you want to not buy it and boy cot it then go ahead.

see the only bug or glitch that will ever bug me is lagging thats the only thing. hell even fonv wasn't ( to me ) as bad as every one made it out to be when it first came out i hardly even noticed.


ok sorry i'm done with my rant