dlc is mostly useless so I don't mind, I won't be wasting my hard earned money on that garbage. Expansions I buy on discs.

this is because of patch updates, it requires internet to update the game which is vital. I understand what you mean but there's really no alternative right now to downloading a patch and installing it.

The real issue here is not games requiring internet but places around the world either doesn't have access or has crappy internet connection speeds.

That's stealing.
But OP, having things online is better for the enviorement and this world is already messed up enough as it is with pollution.

You don't have to pay for an XBL account if you are just downloading from the marketplace. Anyone with a free or paid XBL account can access the marketplace.

That'd wouldn't work if the DLC is paid for; you'd have to do a "license transfer" if you wanted to transfer paid XBL content to another. It would only transfer and work properly if someone on the Xbox already purchased the content.

The issue is that singe-player only games require internet to play. Forced steam for PC owners? Thats crap. Also, what's so important about patches? Im playing on a xbox not hooked up to Live, and im doing fine. I certainly wouldn't call them vital.

Yeah, but if his friend paid for it and then he transferred the files onto his XBox too, that would be stealing, no?
As there are two people having the DLC while only one of them paid. Piracy is stealing too, you know.

360 is the most stable platform for Skyrim and it even has issues such as the HD texture bug that can be caused by installing it on to your HD or even opening menus. Resulting in low res textures such as your weapons equipped and arms/hands. PC and PS3 especially PS3 is much more severe PC had a memory leak resulting in frequent CTD's that until 1.3 was released only could be solved through a 3rd party and PS3 is just unstable. But that is what you get with the release now patch later mentality that publishers/developers have because they cannot phantom the idea of delaying a game because it is not stable across all platforms and waste that cash for rushing it to begin with.

Did you not read my post? you need internet to update patches which are essential to the game as not only will it add new free content to the game it'll fix problems within the game besthesda couldn't afford to delay the game.

People have some crazy mentality that delaying skyrim would have solved alot of problems it wouldn't. You need people playing the game to encounter bugs so the developers can isolate it. With the amount of coding involved into making skyirm it's kinda impossible to find every bug or glitch known to man while developing it before release.

The issue as I said is places having crappy internet connections or no internet at all. Everyone should be connected to internet on consoles much like PC's

I'm still stuck on the part where the OP says they don't have X-Box Live, but they have an internet connection...

yea i that doesn't make sense considering silver membership is free lol

they didn't care about making the game playable for people without the internet (patch's). these days u can't play console games without the ability to d/l patch's...i don't think they care about those without net access, or they would have sold a working game to them. speaking of which how do u even play? x-box version tolerable unpatched?

Since when is internet necesary to have a "modern game console"? I used my first 360 for years before picking up the wireless modem for it - it worked fine all those years (the one I have now has the built in modem).

It's not always the consumers fault that their internet access is limited. Most areas in and around large cities have fine, state of the art service - many other areas don't. Is it the OP's fault - or anyone else's - if he lives in one of those areas?

The OP has internet access. As for everyone having it no they are not at fault for not having such their country does not have a great infrastructure in that regard. But its not like it is going to effect a majority of its consumers especially when DLC in this case is not needed at all to enjoy the game. Sooner or later all of gaming will go digital my guess is 2020.

Why would a game company bother selling disks for add-ons? Why would they choose to throw away money on printing a disk, printing a box, getting the boxes and disks shipped to the same place, the disk (and any paper inserts like an installation card) stuffed in the box, then pay to ship it to retailers, who also get a cut?

They absorb these costs on the game itself, because (1) the $60 game is priced high enough to make the expense worth it and (2) they get something out of the exposure in retail settings. This doesn't hold true for add-ons; whatever extra sales happen because of higher exposure don't make up for the associated costs when you're talking about a $15-$20 add-on to a game. They stopped doing this for a reason, and eventually software will stop being retailed in brick-and-mortar stores.

So again: Why in the world would they burn money on a retail store version of the DLC?

Clearly the OP has internet access (although it IS possible he/she is at their local library to post here). However, how fast is it? Is it subject to a DL limit? I don't know - I suspect you don't either. I remember dial-up internet well . . .and while it was often fine for surfing the web (back then, anyway - current sites would probably run slow as crap, what with all the videos found on most sites, even things like ESPN or CNN) trying to download anything could certainly take a long time - and of course, just hope you didn't get an interupt, or the 20 minutes you've spent downloaded 85% of something is wasted.

Sure, there's a point when technology moves on - such as the recent move (here in the US) to digital TV signals, which for a lot of people required converter boxes. But we're not at that point yet in internet service, so comments that indicate someone is doing something wrong for not having high speed cable or FiOs internet happen to be somewhat silly, IMO.

That's not the point, though; the point is that the OP is implying Bethesda is doing something wrong or stupid by not coming out with retail-store boxed add-ons to the game.

Oh, agreed. And in my earlier posts, I did point out that it's Down Loadable Content - thus, typically available for DL, rather than on disc, although several may be packaged with a GOTY edition.

I just find it odd that, whenever someone complains at all about some internet aspect of this game - whether it's the Steam requirement for PC, or the DLC issue as here - people jump on them as if their somehow backward or at faut for not having high speed internet.

There are vast rural areas, some even reasonably populated, all over the United States that don't have broadband internet access. It's not a problem for most people, but it would be a mistake to think that the only people who don't have broadband live in the middle of the wilderness or in some underdeveloped country.

Both I and a sizable group of other people, both where I live and across the globe, would appreciate it if Bethesda released at least some of their more prominent DLC in disc bundles. It svcks to not be able to participate in stuff like this simply because you live someplace where you don't have access to high speed broadband connections.

What the hell? You want downloadable content that you don't have to download?

And if you can post on these forums and support a gaming hobby, you can afford an internet connection and XBL. It'd be one thing if you're simply out of luck or having bad financial times, but if you're just complaining that Bethesda always does this (like with FONV), then you're just not getting internet, which is silly.

This is an absolutely absurd thing to complain about, and certainly an unreasonable request.

just subscribe to xbox live for 1 month when the DLC comes out, then pay for and download the DLC, and then you'll never have to subscribe again

unless you want another DLC

'nuff said

Nope, did NOT come with Shivering Isles, sorry. It was strictly the Knights of the Nine and all the other DLC that they released for oblivion, all on one disc. No Shivering Isles, I have a separate disc and box for that.


May I ask WHY you believe EVERYONE should be connected to the internet on their consoles? I've owned a 360 since a year after it's release, and a Wii a year after it's release, and neither have ever touched an internet connection, neither will they ever. You shouldn't ever need to connect to the internet just to play a game on a console if it's single player. I don't agree with the "Game needs to be patched" Game developers need to stop being so damn lazy and get the bugs worked out beforehand. If nothing else they could do a closed beta for the game if they feel they need several thousand people playing in order to find certain bugs. I am NOT their unpaid bug finder, I'm sorry. I buy a game developers product expecting a fully finished, fully polished video game, and if it's not, and is bug-ridden, you can damn well expect that I'll, at the least, think twice before ever buying another game from that developer. Bethesda is just lucky that they have a lot of goodwill built up from Arena, Daggerfall & Morrowind, or I'd have had stop purchasing their products after Oblivion.

If it's not significant enough in terms of content/size to be sold in it's own retail box, i'm not interested anyway.