The only thing that makes Dovakiin special is that they have a soul of a Dragon FULL STOP.

anyone else can learn shouts even COC and Nerverine


Coc just hopped gates and ran around as and Errand doer


Nerverine actually killed 2 gods (3 if you offed Vivec)

Nerverine don't have a soul of a dragon which means no dragon shouts like you said, plus Nerverine vs Dovahkiin its pretty clear that the dragonborn will win, slow time,freeze shout,whirlwind attack shout not to mention FIN ZI GRON (invincibility shout) Neverine will be killed in less than 5 sec.

Plotwise? Arguably. The Daggerfall hero got to choose who got the numidium - not personal power, but power over who had power. The Morrowind hero could (sort of) use the heart to become a god. The Oblivion hero was mostly a minor sidekick for Martin, but the Shivering Isles hero arguably became a god.

In practice? Final power level is all about the amount of exploits in the game and how natural and convenient it feels to use them. It's debatable, but I think Daggerfall had the most convenient and natural feeling exploits, at least for defense and utility purposes.

CoC would freeze him with the Staff of Sheogorath. Dovahkiin can't do much when he's completely frozen in time.
Can't hide from Clairvoyance. Also, CoC becomes immortal, as did the only other Dragonborn we know of (Tiber Septim).

Yeah, come on, my guy is a Daedric Prince... some little jackoff like the Dovakiin can't do [censored] against Champion of Cyrodiil.

Of course, we don't know how endgame Dovahkiin ends up. He could end up mantling a god or undergoing apotheosis of some form. As it stands, CoC is the most powerful PC so far though.

And you could change the weather. Useful.

We are, however, talking about a god-slayer here when it comes to dragonborn.

as it stands there is now way to determine who is stronger not untill skyrim rolls out that and gameplay variants make compairing games difficult

Gameplay doesn't have any bearing here (otherwise Nerevarine would be most powerful because of alchemy exploit). We have to wait to see what the Dovahkiin is canonically capable of (stopping Alduin, for example), and judge based on that.

being a daedric prince will be pretty hard to beat, and as mentioned before in morrowind you were pretty much a reincarnation sent by azura to punish vivec, almexia, and sotha sil for breaking their promise, and you also beat dagoth ur who was even more powerful than the god kings vivec etc. and 2 of those god kings combined even beat mehrunes dagon.
so unless the dragonborn turns into sithis or something i don't see it overcoming daedric princes of half gods lol

Xena has the power to kill gods.

I would like at the "end" of the main quest before the last boss battle(I think there will be one) that Dovahkiin unlocks his full ability with dragon shouts and does not have to suffer a cooldown.(or not as much)

That way we get a nice little unlock for the mainquest so we can use our shouts in combination with eachother or just in quick succession. Be fun to use when doing any remaining sidequests.

Or is that too god-like?

Completing the main quest first would make the rest of the game easy-mode. Infinite duration ethereal shouts means invincibility whenever you need it; infinite duration lightning storms will kill everything ever, et cetera. I like to be powerful enough that a random bandit poses no threat, but not so that nothing at all can hurt me.

Or just have less cooldowns.

Also it gives incentive to beat the main quest which I never had for Oblivion where you got some mediocre armour. And shouldn't beating a god dragon make the rest of the game feel easier?

not if u stand back and watch as another god kills the god dragon in front of you....like last time, i really enjoyed standing face to face with a 40 foot tall daedric prince i have been after the entire game.....and watching somebody else kill it.

If you made it even and gave the Nerevarine everything at Dovahkiin disposal minus the dragon shouts, Nerevarine would win. The reincarnation of Nerevar? IF you guys know enough about the lore, you know what Nerevar was capable of. The Nerevarine went toe-to-toe with not just Demigods, but REAL Gods as well. Did we all forget about the time he fought Hircine and won? The Daedric God of the Hunt.

Not to mention, he was high enough on the pantheon to have intimate relations with Almalexia in the past. You have to have some kind of pull to get that kind of high-grade Goddess under your arm.

The Dovahkiin could be more easily compared to the Ice Prince who wielded the Monarch Blade and beat back the Nord Invasion on Morrowind all by himself more or less. Nut he wasn't powerful enough to go against the divine.

My view:

Nerevarine > Dovahkiin > Champion of Cyrodiil > Eternal Champion > Hero of Daggerfall

The Nerevarine is powerless against the combined powers of the quest marker and fast travel...

By 'he', do you mean Neravar here? Because I'm pretty sure Neravar was killed, then they became gods.


Don't forget, the Dovahkiin may end up facing Alduin.

I'll be honest though, with everyone pointing out these things about Nerevar and the Champion of Cyrodiil (things that I'd somehow forgotten about), my opening post seems to be a bit daft now

The Agent of the blades sent to Daggerfall had control of the totem of tiber septim for some time.
That's the key to Numidium, and he could easily forge a new empire with it.

If Dovahkiin is to defeat (and most likely absorb) Alduin, who is said to destroy the world (and who I believe is Akatosh), then he is immensely more powerful by end game.

I would say that the dragonborns are by far the most powerful mortals in Mundus. The septims WERE dragonborn and one became an AEDRIC god which is the absolute most powerful being in the Tamrieloverse. Another one defeated Mehrunes Dagon. The nerevarine was no longer immortal after he wrecked the heart of Lorkhan. The champion of cyrodil was just a normal mortal being who had temporary powers of a Daedric prince while in the Shivering Isles. In Skyrim the dragonborn is supposed to fight and defeat an actual Aedric being, which hasn't happened since the other Aedra ousted Lorkhan. I definitely agree that this will be the most powerful character yet lore-wise

Superman beats batman

Martin Septim figured out how to best a Daedric Prince, so it can't be the hardest thing in the world. Morrowind Demigods were ONLY powerful because they stole the power still inside the heart of an Aedra. Dovahkin will defeat an Aedra. Dragonborn>Nerevarine

I HIGHLY doubt we will be able to absorb the soul of Alduin, the concequencesof such could easily be as destructive as him eating the world or worse. Wake the dreamer anyone?