[Irmacuba]

I dont think that "Dragonborn" will be released a month earlier for Xbox 360 :

1) They already had 2 timed exclusive DLC's and Kincet for the Xbox 360 owners.

2) Christmas holidays and sale, its the time were many players buy games because they have more money get the game as a gift and also have the time to play.

It's funny. A couple days ago my wife asked me what I wanted for Christmas and I told her (jokingly) I want Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and the upcoming Dragonborn for Skyrim on PS3. She said ok. (I honestly don't know what I want, I'm always too concerned on what I'm getting everybody else).

This morning she asked me about those items saying she can't find them anywhere or any way to buy them, not even through my PS3. I had a good laugh about it.

[Dewayne Quattlebaum]

I am pretty sure that its not a timed exclusive.

I must say though, the DLC situation on ps3 has been very poorly handled by Bethesda. And indeed the PC DLC.

Now, as an Xbox 360 player, I am very lucky that we have been getting the additional content. However, the way that Bethesda has not issued a single apology is absolutely rubbish. They need a better PR department for sure. It would, at this point, be far better for them to come out and say that they just can't get it done on ps3, and in future, just

A) outsource the ps3 development to a different company like 4j

concentrate on developing games for the PC/Xbox.

It doesn't take a genius to see that this has all been very bad publicity for Bethesda. However? I will say that exclusivity wise, it's not like Microsoft have been the only ones to ever do this. All game console companies have. It's still a business at the end of the day.

But I do hope Bethesda clear this up once and for all and put it to rest one way or the other.

[Vincent Joe]

That will never happen. We're talking about how they're getting paid by M$ for exclusive content. They're too greedy to give Dawnguard for half price.

I won't be buying Dawnguard for anything besides half price if they release it now. It's old, If you have friends you've heard about it and everything about it. If you use the internet and happent go on youtube, story elements have been spoiled by lets plays. Why should I pay full price for content that was released months ago? From what I've heard it was kind of meh anyway. I've seen multiple others who think the same as well. Now if they actually are working making it work, I think they would want to make as much money as they can off all the effort they put into it (if they are that is, at this point I doubt much more work is put into it) yes. But it's old content, I don't imagine many people will care to pay full price for it now, especially after all the silence.

[Damian Parsons]

I don't want to pick a side in the ridiculous console flame-war but I guess it looks like I will. If Bethesda signed a new contract, knowing they would release a new add-on for Christmas, they must have no sense. Christmas is the best time of the year to release content. I have to admit that if the PC doesn't get the content over the Christmas period, I probably won't buy it until July or next Christmas. The only reason why I would wait so long is because I don't have time during the rest of the year to play Skyrim. By releasing the DLC after Christmas, they have effectively lost my sale(When I do buy it, it will probably be on sale). I would guess there are many people in the same situation as me as well.

Well, it isn't too much of a stretch to think that Beth might have some rather incompetent accounting staff. Microsoft would have to pay one hefty bribe to offset the lost PC sales, and considering Microsoft's history, I doubt Beth got that sweet of a deal.

[Niisha]

However? I will say that exclusivity wise, it's not like Microsoft have been the only ones to ever do this. All game console companies have. It's still a business at the end of the day.

But I do hope Bethesda clear this up once and for all and put it to rest one way or the other.

thing is, if you want to play Uncharted you know its a PS3 exclusive.

If I want to play Halo I know its a Xbox exclusive.

And I'm OK with that, but this is not ok. because we PS3 users were sold a barrel of lies.

Even in response to direct questioning about the quality of the game on the PS3. Pete Hines, Todd Howard and Matt Grandstaff all played their roles in spreading the misinformation and containg the subsequent fallout.

Nothing about this title has ever been advertised as exclusive for any platform - only the timing of exclusivity has ever been discussed. But at the moment I seriously doubt any real additional content is coming to the PS3.

[Manuel rivera]

I am pretty sure that its not a timed exclusive.

I must say though, the DLC situation on ps3 has been very poorly handled by Bethesda. And indeed the PC DLC.

Now, as an Xbox 360 player, I am very lucky that we have been getting the additional content. However, the way that Bethesda has not issued a single apology is absolutely rubbish. They need a better PR department for sure. It would, at this point, be far better for them to come out and say that they just can't get it done on ps3, and in future, just

A) outsource the ps3 development to a different company like 4j

concentrate on developing games for the PC/Xbox.

It doesn't take a genius to see that this has all been very bad publicity for Bethesda. However? I will say that exclusivity wise, it's not like Microsoft have been the only ones to ever do this. All game console companies have. It's still a business at the end of the day.

But I do hope Bethesda clear this up once and for all and put it to rest one way or the other.

I've actually been wondering lately if TES VI would be best being outsourced for development and just published by Bethesda.Bethesda just cannot get certain things right with the series, something another developer may.

[Cathrin Hummel]

don't understand what the fuss is about. if you have to wait then just do it. it's not like this is the first time

[Benji]

There's no 30 day window. Let's get real. Bethesda works for Microsoft. Sony needs to deny them publishing rights altogether and stop this farce.

[TWITTER.COM]

don't understand what the fuss is about. if you have to wait then just do it. it's not like this is the first time

That's not the point.

[Curveballs On Phoenix]

I've actually been wondering lately if TES VI would be best being outsourced for development and just published by Bethesda.Bethesda just cannot get certain things right with the series, something another developer may.

I've been wondering that too. I feel that it actually may be best for Bethesda to outsource TES VI and just publish it. As it has been said, there are a multitude of other games developers who actually can develop properly for the ps3. It is a complicated architecture, but others have shown open world games can be developed on it without huge amounts of bugs/glitches/problems.

Not ragging on Bethesda here. I love their games.

[Jaylene Brower]

There's a bit to many bitter comments and bashing about this.
As a has been console player of TES, I can only say Microsoft makes us feel special.

I hope you're joking.

[Chase McAbee]

Has anyone bothered to tweet or email Bethesda and ask whether or not its part of the 30-day exclusive deal or not?

My guess is they've probably been flooded with such questions, and those questions are being ignored, and will continue to be ignored.

Speaking just for myself, I think a lot of the anger here comes from the perception that with each passing day, it gets more and more obvious that PC players, and especially PS3 players, are regarded as an afterthought, consigned to second-class citizen status in Bethesda's efforts to increase its share in the XBox market.

It's not just the ever-increasing number of "XBox exclusive" releases that creates this perception, either. It's the tweets and blog entries that go on and on about the XBox with no mention of the other platforms, the pushing out of patches full of dirty edits and deleted references that break mods and entire games, the lack of CK updates that allow the new patches to be cleaned up and fixed, the wall of silence surrounding the problems with the PS3 and the DLC for it that's only very occasionally broken by a condescending "we're working on it, be patient!" so-called update.

It's apparent even in the design of the default UI for Skyrim, clearly designed only with the XBox controller in mind. All they did with it for the PC version is throw in a few rudimentary key assignments and say "Here you go!" There's a reason why SkyUI will always be one of the top files of all time on the Nexus, surpassing even the nvde mods.

As far as the PS3 DLC goes, I expect they'll release it eventually, maybe as one big add-on pack at the very end of Skyrim's development cycle. And it'll be a buggy piece of junk that breaks the game even more than it's already broken, and will quite possibly come with an announcement that Skyrim is the last title they will produce for the PS3. And no one will buy it, and they'll use that as justification that abandoning the market was a "good business decision."

And as far as the PC market goes, 10 to 15 percent qualifies as a "niche market"; and while the developers and creators of TES and Fallout lore will argue very loudly against dropping support for the PC, they won't be the ones to make that decision. If that decision is made, it will be made by the bean counters and the execs, and they may very well decide that supporting the PC platform and working with the modders is too much of a hassle, and that continuing to support the PC as platform will only cannibalize XBox sales. And you can make bank that some of those execs are crunching numbers in spreadsheets and evaluating just that possibility - that's their job, as businessmen.

From where I sit, Bethesda has made the decision that their future lies with being a publisher for the XBox. Any decisions regarding game design and development, release of patches and DLC, etc., will be made with the goal of keeping the XBox players happy. And if it just so happens to benefit the other platforms, well, that's nice, but we don't really care about that at the end of the day.

Quite honestly, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next TES and the next Fallout will be XBox-only titles. If Microsoft can convince Bethesda that it's worth their while to just abandon 40% of their current market, you can count on this. That's the way this business operates these days. No move is too cutthroat if it results in more money in the bank for the big players. If that's the case, I won't buy them, but there will be plenty of XBox players who will. Many of them may be sad that the other platforms got left out in the cold, but a lot of them will be high-fiving each other over it, too. Tribalism is a major factor in the gaming industry these days - don't think for a moment that that has escaped the attention of the Sonys and Microsofts and Bethesdas of the world.

I'd like to think I'm wrong about all this, but from what I'm seeing, I don't think I am.

[I’m my own]

I just wish Beth would be honest and communicate. I play via xbox, but it bugs me that Beth is letting this stain Skyrims reputation. I would like PS3 players to watch this though, it sums up what I would like to say to them much better than I ever could. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6187-Why-Boycotts-Fail-Where-Whining-Tantrums-Win

[Dylan Markese]

IM SO UPSET.


nah i'll just wait for the goty edition for the ps3 i guess. Should be out in 2 or 3 months, i predict.

[Cedric Pearson]

I doubt Bethesda would abandon the PC platform, as they get a lot of publicity from mods and have always been supportive of the modding community- for which they should be commended.

I would explain my frustration as dismay that they've thrown in with Microsoft's bad business practice of getting and keeping market share not by making things people want to buy, but through shady manipulation. Bethesda is one of the good ones and it's painful to see them involving themselves in MS's cheap cash grabs.

[Lauren Denman]

I doubt Bethesda would abandon the PC platform, as they get a lot of publicity from mods and have always been supportive of the modding community- for which they should be commended.

I would explain my frustration as dismay that they've thrown in with Microsoft's bad business practice of getting and keeping market share not by making things people want to buy, but through shady manipulation. Bethesda is one of the good ones and it's painful to see them involving themselves in MS's cheap cash grabs.

Not to mention we really dont the real sales figures of the PC, since digital copies are not tracked, at least on an official capacity to the public.

[Mrs shelly Sugarplum]

I doubt Bethesda would abandon the PC platform, as they get a lot of publicity from mods and have always been supportive of the modding community- for which they should be commended.

I would explain my frustration as dismay that they've thrown in with Microsoft's bad business practice of getting and keeping market share not by making things people want to buy, but through shady manipulation. Bethesda is one of the good ones and it's painful to see them involving themselves in MS's cheap cash grabs.

I agree with this. They wouldn't abandon PC

And Bethedsa aren't the only ones to sign this deal. Rockstar did it with GTA IV, despite it having been a Sony orientated title before then.

[Syaza Ramali]

The PC version is the Xbox version. Put it up on a screen and you will not be able to tell the difference.

Lol, obviously you haven't played the PC version.

[u gone see]

QUOTE: don't understand what the fuss is about. if you have to wait then just do it. it's not like this is the first time

WAITING is not the problem. NOT KNOWING is. When I get a release date, I will be much happier.

[Jaki Birch]

I doubt Bethesda would abandon the PC platform, as they get a lot of publicity from mods and have always been supportive of the modding community- for which they should be commended.

I would explain my frustration as dismay that they've thrown in with Microsoft's bad business practice of getting and keeping market share not by making things people want to buy, but through shady manipulation. Bethesda is one of the good ones and it's painful to see them involving themselves in MS's cheap cash grabs.

If Bethesda stops making games for the PC, I'll probably cry my eyes out. This whole fiasco has been a large factor in my decision to move from PS3 to PC. If it turns out I ended up spending 1200$+ and still can't properly play Bethesda titles in the future, I don't know what I'll do! My PC is already almost halfway built

Anyway, I don't see why Microsoft would shell out more money for an exclusive contract at this point. There's no sign in sight of any DLC coming to the PS3 still, and it's not like the PC is in direct competition with it.

[Richard Dixon]

WAITING is not the problem. NOT KNOWING is. When I get a release date, I will be much happier.

That's very much true. Being ignored completely is really the worst case.
Yeah, Xbox is mentioned under the Youtube description, but nobody else.
It's just not right.

[Dagan Wilkin]

I doubt Bethesda would abandon the PC platform, as they get a lot of publicity from mods and have always been supportive of the modding community- for which they should be commended.

I would explain my frustration as dismay that they've thrown in with Microsoft's bad business practice of getting and keeping market share not by making things people want to buy, but through shady manipulation. Bethesda is one of the good ones and it's painful to see them involving themselves in MS's cheap cash grabs.

Yeah, I know, it's kind of like watching a nephew or friend's child who was always a good kid getting mixed up in drugs or crime or other shady dealings. But things do change over time, and not always for the better.

But again, it's just my perception, and at any rate, their treatment of the PS3 community has been inexcusable. They've known for ages that they've had problems with their PS3 releases, but the problems just get worse with each new title. If they didn't communicate the attitude of a used car salesman trying to convince you that the rattle you hear in the transmission is a "feature," * there would be a lot less hate for them from the PS3 players.

* - I'm not saying that's how they actually do business, just how they sound.

[Add Meeh]

QUOTE: don't understand what the fuss is about. if you have to wait then just do it. it's not like this is the first time

WAITING is not the problem. NOT KNOWING is. When I get a release date, I will be much happier.

well then wait for them to announce it. again what's the fuss about?

[Eddie Howe]

I don't care about waiting for DLC. It's not important at all. What I do care about is whether or not DLC ever makes it to the PS3 at all.

And if it does, will it completely destroy the already partially-broken game, like the Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition? That was a disaster that I am glad to have avoided, even if it came at the cost of never playing Old World Blues and Lonesome Road.

[Christie Mitchell]

The DLC is Xbox exclusive for a month obviously. Microsoft purchased exclusivity for the first two expansions. Hearthfire is just a little filler add-on to tide people over between expansions.