[JUan Martinez]

Semantics does matter when a word can change the whole meaning of a sentence.

Semantics w/o context is nothing more then a stawman or at least a red herring. There really is no point in using similes if the whole point of them is to give context to something that is in fact, not similar at all or off point/subject.

[aisha jamil]

Has anyone bothered to tweet or email Bethesda and ask whether or not its part of the 30-day exclusive deal or not?

That is where they seem to respond at least somewhat directly. So yeah that would be a good idea for someone who isn't a dinosaur like me and actually uses twitter to ask.

[Dawn Farrell]

I don't think it would be too much of a bother for Bethesda to come in here and say, "We have only announced this for the Xbox 360". I feel that the fact that they have only named the price in MS Points speaks volumes but it would be great if they would just say their usual. "We have not announced this for any systems other then the 360" bit. I'm a PC player but I would just like confirmed what I already expect.

Honestly, I think the fact that they have not just come out and said it is, at least for the PC community, a positive. If it was an exclusive for the xbox, like the previous DLC, they would have, I would think, release such a announcement in the same way they did the other 2 times. Like I said in a previous post, I think this might have more to do with the PS3 then the PC, because it is no secret that Skyrim doesnt work all that great on the PS3's architecture.

[Jynx Anthropic]

Never heard the deal was for one year after release exactly. Is there a source for that?

Can't find it, but it's relatively well known. Of course, it could very well be a case of 'my friend heard from a friend that his cousin read...'.

[Genevieve]

Let me start off with the fact that I hate these types of debates, because in the end we all (Xbox, PC, Ps3) get screwed in one way or another.

When the PC gets an Xbox port and the PS3 doesn't get it at all despite promises to the contrary, how exactly does the Xbox owner get screwed? If this turns out to be a 30-day Xbox exclusive then Bethesda have explicitly lied to their customers.

[TRIsha FEnnesse]

1. I think that Bethesda can release its games and DLC when it wants. If it loses out on Christmas sales for PC or PS3, that's its problem.
2. Trying to sue them for not releasing their own games or add ons is rather pointless. Suppose I was an eccentric fast food chain owner who refused to open any stores in, say, South Carolina (but opened them in the other 49 states). Could a person from South Carolina sue me for refusing to open a store in his state? Of course not.
3. Be that as it may, I think they've got a tiger by the tail, keeping PS3 users in the dark while happily popping out 360 DLC after 360 DLC. And the longer you pull, the angrier the tiger gets. And the more savagely he claws you when you finally let go.
That being said, I sincerely hope that all retaliation against Bethessda, if there's no PS3 DLC, is strictly NON-VIOLENT, LEGAL, and limited to NOT BUYING THEIR STUFF.

[Antony Holdsworth]

3. Be that as it may, I think they've got a tiger by the tail, keeping PS3 users in the dark while happily popping out 360 DLC after 360 DLC. And the longer you pull, the angrier the tiger gets. And the more savagely he claws you when you finally let go.
That being said, I sincerely hope that all retaliation against Bethessda, if there's no PS3 DLC, is strictly NON-VIOLENT, LEGAL, and limited to NOT BUYING THEIR STUFF.

That is a good anology, but I think this is better. Bethesda is like Cell, and us PS3 players are like Vegeta charging up his Final Flash, the longer Bethesda waits the more time we have to charge the blast, until we release it. If they had told us early on that we are not getting the DLC we would have gotten mad and our blast would have done little to no damage. But they have waited so long now that our blast is going to [censored] [censored] up when we release it and they are in for a world of hurt.

[Louise Andrew]

That is a good anology, but I think this is better. Bethesda is like Cell, and us PS3 players are like Vegeta charging up his Final Flash, the longer Bethesda waits the more time we have to charge the blast, until we release it. If they had told us early on that we are not getting the DLC we would have gotten mad and our blast would have done little to no damage. But they have waited so long now that our blast is going to [censored] [censored] up when we release it and they are in for a world of hurt.

Bwahaha xD
It's true though :3 I wish them luck, anyone who is sane enough to realize what's going on with the PS3 issues will probably never buy anything from them again. I know I won't be, I don't trust them. I like their games but their reputation has be so messed up in my eyes :/

[Kelsey Anna Farley]

The initial announcement was that the first two would be timed exclusives. That does not include more than 2, ever. You can only have 2 first two, not 3 first two (really? we are going there now?).
If the 3rd is exclusive as well, it was part of another deal. Which we didn't know about. Of course, knowing about the first deal doesn't mean there is no other, but it was reasonable to asume that there isn't.

I agree Faulgor.
Besides, Hearthfire got the timed exclusive 30 days. It would not be fair to release it AGAIN exclusively.
For Ps3, free hearthfire and Dawnguard half price should be fair.

[Maria Leon]

Besides, Hearthfire got the timed exclusive 30 days. It would not be fair to release it AGAIN exclusively.

This.

[Astargoth Rockin' Design]

I agree Faulgor.
Besides, Hearthfire got the timed exclusive 30 days. It would not be fair to release it AGAIN exclusively.
For Ps3, free hearthfire and Dawnguard half price should be fair.

That will never happen. We're talking about how they're getting paid by M$ for exclusive content. They're too greedy to give Dawnguard for half price.

[Marlo Stanfield]

i seriously doubt there is a new exclusivity agreement, I would think if one existed MS would be blathering all over the place about it.

I think its coming first for the Xbox because Beth development works like this:

Xbox - 90% of dev time

PC - 7 % of dev time

PS3 - ...well we spent our other 3% of dev time drinking beer and belching the alphabet, sorry..

[patricia kris]

Here is my guess.

I think Bethesda decided not to announce the actual release date on PC because they still can't get it working properly on PS3.

Imagine, if Beth said, "this DLC will be available within a month for XBOX360 and PC." That would be pretty much like a punch to the face for all the PS3 users.

[emma sweeney]

Imagine, if Beth said, "this DLC will be available within a month for XBOX360 and PC." That would be pretty much like a punch to the face for all the PS3 users.

That logic is extremely flawed.
They are thinking "Hey, we can't release on the PS3, so we pretend to only release it on Xbox, so that we piss off at least the PS3 and the PC crowd!".
Brilliant!

[Alba Casas]

Never heard the deal was for one year after release exactly. Is there a source for that?

Even if it was, December 4th is over a year after November 11th.

[no_excuse]

That logic is extremely flawed.
They are thinking "Hey, we can't release on the PS3, so we pretend to only release it on Xbos, so that we piss off at least the PS3 and the PC crowd!".
Brilliant!

I think it is more along the lines of; this is big reveal, lets keep it the status quo, and then later announce that the PS3 version will come later(or not at all)...again. Otherwise, if they would have said it right from the get go, half the story would be how cool this new DLC looks, and the other half would be "PS3 screwed again".

[Enny Labinjo]

Don't know if the very entertaining discussion about the dlc announcement saying 2 timed exclusives and not ONLY two timed exclusives is going on but I just want to put in my opinion.
If it says two and is meaning only two and beth are making this a timed exclusive then they're lying [censoreds].
If it says two and is meaning two or more then they're clearly intentionally trying to trick their costumers, it's logical to assume "two timed exclusives" mean two times exclusives and no more, and not "two or more timed exclusives"... ...and if beth is using that to justify this then it proves they're [censoreds] and trying to trick their costumers.

Haven't bought Dawnguard, haven't bought hearthfire, I was disappointed with Skyrim and believe beth has gone downhill, was planning on buying dragonborn to see if beth still can manage to produce high quality content, but if it's a timed exclusive then the content doesn't matter 'cause beth would've once and for all proved to me they're [censoreds]...

[herrade]

There's a bit to many bitter comments and bashing about this.
As a has been console player of TES, I can only say Microsoft makes us feel special.

[Umpyre Records]

There's a bit to many bitter comments and bashing about this.
As a has been console player of TES, I can only say Microsoft makes us feel special.

Right... and Microsoft is just a bunch of angels...

[Alisia Lisha]

I think it is more along the lines of; this is big reveal, lets keep it the status quo, and then later announce that the PS3 version will come later(or not at all)...again. Otherwise, if they would have said it right from the get go, half the story would be how cool this new DLC looks, and the other half would be "PS3 screwed again".

I don't think so. Screwing two crowds is worse than screwing one.
Best would be to screw nobody, but that is wishul thinking. -.-

[El Goose]

There's a bit to many bitter comments and bashing about this.
As a has been console player of TES, I can only say Microsoft makes us feel special.

[Emily Rose]

I don't think so. Screwing two crowds is worse than screwing one.
Best would be to screw nobody, but that is wishul thinking. -.-

That has yet to be seen though. If you are right and both the PC and PS3 has to wait, then I would agree with you. However if just the PS3 doesnt get the game right away, then it would, to me, make sense to hold off on the rest of the systems it is coming out for, right away. Otherwise you are tipping your hat as to who diffidently is not getting the DLC at least right away.

[Bones47]

Here is my guess.

I think Bethesda decided not to announce the actual release date on PC because they still can't get it working properly on PS3.

Imagine, if Beth said, "this DLC will be available within a month for XBOX360 and PC." That would be pretty much like a punch to the face for all the PS3 users.

this would imply that bethesda actually cared about its ps3 customers feelings. clearly it has given up on that long ago..

[Markie Mark]

I dont think that "Dragonborn" will be released a month earlier for Xbox 360 :

1) They already had 2 timed exclusive DLC's and Kincet for the Xbox 360 owners.

2) Christmas holidays and sale, its the time were many players buy games because they have more money get the game as a gift and also have the time to play.

[Lance Vannortwick]

There's a bit to many bitter comments and bashing about this.
As a has been console player of TES, I can only say Microsoft makes us feel special.

That's sweet. Too bad it also makes everybody else feel like a second-class customer.

I know, I know, not a word about consoles. I'll be quiet now.

Can I use this thread to rant about localization? Imagine this: Dawnguard was released this Friday. Yup, that's right, we just got it and we still don't even have Hearthfire. I'm in the middle of writing a lengthy mail to Bethesda about their policies regarding local distributors, because this is quite ridiculous. So for folks in Eastern and Central Europe who want to play in their native language, exclusivity deal means absolutely nothing because it will be 4 months before we get this DLC anyway.

Eh... And here I thought that in the digital age developers and publishers would understand that all kinds of borders should be a thing of the past.

2) Christmas holidays and sale, its the time were many players buy games because they have more money get the game as a gift and also have the time to play.

This is actually a very good argument. Exclusiveness means that PC players would get Dragonborn right after Christmas, that is in the worst possible time. A bad move if Bethesda cares for money, and we know they do.