EA, Facebook in running for "Worst Company in America&#3

Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:32 am

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/the-8-remaining-worst-company-in-america-contenders-are-an-elite-bunch.html

EA beat out Sony and Best Buy. Facebook beat out Sprint and the United States Postal Service.

EA faces a tough fight, now: it's up against Comcast! Ooh, I don't know about that one. But Facebook might just be able to beat out AT&T!

Whichever company wins the competition is crowned with the Golden Poo!

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/worst-company-in-america-round-3-att-vs-facebook.html! http://consumerist.com/2012/03/worst-company-in-america-round-3-ea-vs-comcast.html!

Voting for both of these finishes at the end of the 28th, so there are only a few hours left!

Go vote, now!
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:54 pm

Vote for EA! ([censored]s.)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:57 am

Wow, some of those are tough. EA vs Comcast? Bank of America vs Ticketmaster? Tough calls there. :tongue:


(Of course, there should be a lot more financial and similar conglomerates. Yeah, the companies that deal directly with the public get more notoriety, but the big shadowy megacorps that screw up the environment, government, and economy are worse in the end.)
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:19 am

Not much love for paypal huh?
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 9:10 am

Wait...

I'm not American so maybe I missed something, but what's wrong with PayPal? It's only way I feel safe paying! :blush:

Facebook for the Golden poo!!!! You cheapened the meaning of friendship, "add friend", :swear: Call me old fashioned but if you can't ring his doorbell and get him to come out and ride his bike with you he ain't a friend kids... sorry
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:40 am

BoA
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Wallmart
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Walmart

Facebook
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Comcast
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Comcast
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Comcast
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Walmart
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Walmart

WALMART!!!!!
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:59 pm

Either going to be Walmart, EA or Facebook.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:45 pm

Ah, guys, I wish I could link you to the neogaf thread for this. Hilarious.

Wait...

I'm not American so maybe I missed something, but what's wrong with PayPal? It's only way I feel safe paying! :blush:

There's a thread on that in neogaf, too. From a link found there:

Spoiler
As you know, we have been trying to buy Christmas presents for kids in the Regretsy community.

We took many applications, vetted them carefully and set about creating a giant gift exchange program, where you could buy a gift for the over 200 children we’re helping.

We raised so much money that we found ourselves in a position of not just being able to send toys, but to send a monetary gift to the families as well. We hoped it might help them make their holiday dinners more special, or maybe pay a pressing bill.

PAYPAL SHUT IT DOWN

Apparently we made the mistake of using the “Donate” button, which Paypal is now claiming is only for nonprofit organizations to use. They froze the account, which also includes Zazzle money that we use to make emergency gifts. That money isn’t in issue, but what the hell! Might as well keep everything!

So last night, I decided to go about this a different way. Since these toys are already purchased, I decided to offer them up for sale on this site, just like any other retailer would. You could buy them according to what you wanted to spend, and we would send them on to the recipient of your gift, just like any other retailer.

PAYPAL SHUT IT DOWN

After a very long and jaw-dropping conversation with an incredibly condescending representative, they have decided that I must refund all the donations and purchases that have not been processed. If you don’t get a refund, it’s because we got your money before they got smart and kept us from helping children at Christmas, which is really the best move any corporation can make.

Here are a few highlights from our conversation:

YOU CAN ONLY HELP CATS

PAYPAL: Only a nonprofit can use the Donate button.
ME: That’s false. It says right in the PDF of instructions for the Donate button that it can be used for “worthy causes.”
PAYPAL: I haven’t seen that PDF. And what you’re doing is not a worthy cause, it’s charity.
ME: What’s the difference?
PAYPAL: You can use the donate button to raise money for a sick cat, but not poor people.

YOU HAVE TO START A NEW WEBSITE

ME: The problem is I’ve already bought all of these toys, so now I’m really in a position like any other merchant – which is to say, I have inventory I need to sell. Why can’t I sell them as gifts, like any other retailer?
PAYPAL: Don’t you think it would look suspicious if the same people bought them again?
ME: Why? These are my customers!
PAYPAL: If you wanted to do that, you’d have to start a new website.
ME: What? Why would I start a new website?
PAYPAL: I’m not going to argue with you.

WE WILL TRACK YOUR SHIPMENTS

PAYPAL: The only way you’d be allowed to sell these as gifts is if you sent them directly to the person who bought them. And we will track your shipments and make sure it goes to the buyer.
ME: That’s discriminatory! You don’t make other retailers send purchases to the buyer only, especially not at Christmas.
PAYPAL: No one but a nonprofit would send gifts to someone else on buyer’s behalf.
ME: What about Amazon?
PAYPAL: We know what you’re doing and we’re through playing games with you.

YOU’LL NEVER GET AWAY WITH THIS

PAYPAL: You say you’re selling these as gifts but there is no information as to what the gift is.
ME: People sell mystery gifts and grab bags all the time. What about sites where they say, let us choose for you?”
PAYPAL: It doesn’t say that on your site.
ME: Is that the problem? If I say it’s a mystery gift would that be sufficient?
PAYPAL: You aren’t going to be able to get around this. It’s too late, we know what you’re trying to do and we’re not going to let you do it.
ME: But there are hundreds of toys! Do you think it’s reasonable to create a drop down menu for hundreds of gifts, all of them different, and create an inventory for each as “one?” So that every time one sells, it’s sold out, and the customer has to keep choosng options and going through check out to see if they can find a gift that’s still available?
PAYPAL: Yes, I think it’s reasonable.

Then my brain exploded.

At this point, I asked to speak to a supervisor and was told that “No one above me will talk to you. No one at my level ever makes phone calls. We’re only doing this to help you.”

When I asked how to close my account, he said I had to “refund everything, write a letter saying you understood what you did WAS WRONG AND YOU WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN, and then request permission to close your account.”

Then, for good measure, they froze my personal account, which has revenue from my book sales, e-books and all the other Finnish Folktales Swag. They’ll be holding that money for 6 months.

So to recap:

$ They allowed me to use a donate button, and got a portion of the donations
$ Then made me return the donations, and kept a portion of the fees on the donations
$ They allowed me to use a Buy Now button to sell gifts individually, and got a portion of those sales
$ Then made me return the sales, and kept a portion of the fees on the sales
$ They processed the toy purchases, and made fees on that

They have made a fortune for not doing anything but making me manually return thousands of $2 sales and contributions.

I have been able to guarantee purchase and shipment of the toys, so that part is happening, as are the letters from Santa (most have already been delivered).

However, I am very sorry to say that at this point, I am not able to make a monetary gift to the families. They have frozen everything that was not already spent or donated, and I have no more funds to make a gift of that size.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Wanna tell Paypal how you feel? http://consumerist.com/2008/06/all-the-secret-paypalebay-email-addresses-and-phone-numbers-you-could-ever-want.html#.Tt1m77VTojs.twitter The Consumerist was able to find.

Edit: Wow, I just read that, and that is so horrible it's funny.

As to the current combatants... EA has proactively [censored] with my favourite hobby. I want EA to win, so badly. They deserve it (gaming company-wise). :wub:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:50 pm

I'm not American so maybe I missed something, but what's wrong with PayPal? It's only way I feel safe paying! :blush:
I don't use myself, it but I've seen a lot of complaints about their business practices on the internet. Assuming what they say is true, then I wouldn't feel safe using PayPal.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 11:35 am

whats wrong with google
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 7:03 am

So I'm guessing it has nothing to do with actual success of the businesses then? Just something people can vote on to get their hate out?
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:22 am

I happen to like Facebook. Thank you.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 5:54 am

So I'm guessing it has nothing to do with actual success of the businesses then? Just something people can vote on to get their hate out?
It's clearly public opinion on the companies, not how much money they make. But they aren't going to win a hate content unless they've done something (or multiple things) to make people hate them.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:17 pm

I just realised I was planning on opening a PayPal account. I'd been holding off because of all the horror stories, but I reconsidered for GoG. Now I've gone back to not even considering it. Google "paypal violin destroy" and "paypal alzheimers dr who". These are just a few of the really terrible things they've done. Sorry, GoG. :cryvaultboy:

(Of course, there should be a lot more financial and similar conglomerates. Yeah, the companies that deal directly with the public get more notoriety, but the big shadowy megacorps that screw up the environment, government, and economy are worse in the end.)

Either going to be Walmart, EA or Facebook.

Most people seem to be rooting for Bank of America, or one of the telecoms, which is totally understandable.

whats wrong with google

Scroll down to the bottom of the first link. There should be a page detailing all of Google's sins.

So I'm guessing it has nothing to do with actual success of the businesses then? Just something people can vote on to get their hate out?

"Success" and "being a bad company" aren't mutually exclusive. The poll's obviously biased, though, ya. It seems to be a combination of annual "favourites" (the telecoms), the perennials (e.g. Ticketmaster), big companies (e.g. Apple, Google), and scandals (e.g. EA). Also what Narmy said.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 9:14 am

It's clearly public opinion on the companies, not how much money they make. But they aren't going to win a hate content unless they've done something (or multiple things) to make people hate them.

I was just wondering if it was like a legitimate business site basing how well these companies have run themselves to be successful or if they wrre based on their soul-svcking business practices.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 4:26 am

Activision isn't on that so the entire contest is invalid.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:59 am

I love Facebook and EA. Never had a problem with either. I'd say maybe 60% of all of my favorite games are by EA and there's no problem with them whatsoever. Madden, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fight Night, Tiger Woods, FIFA. Great stuff.

Edit: ^ Love Activision too.

Edit 2: ooo, left out The Sims and Sim City...How could I forget those? So many hours dumped into them.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 9:11 am

I vote facebook but I happen to like EA and Comcast
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Kevin S
 
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 7:54 am

So the biggest companies are the worst? Guess that is what they get for being in a capitalistic nation.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:23 am

So the biggest companies are the worst? Guess that is what they get for being in a capitalistic nation.

I shall assert my right to openly despise all that is mainstream and convenient for me, and will continue to use the products of these companies not because I like them, but because I am too uneducated to know any better and too lazy to do anything about it!
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:59 pm

Walmart and Facebook are truly evil, but I don't know about EA. Of course they have had some missteps in the past few years and introduced the online pass, but they pale in comparison to the blight that is Activision Blizzard. :yuck:
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:45 am

They both svck, but how did Time Warner Cable not make it?
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:59 pm

Activision isn't on that so the entire contest is invalid.

Walmart and Facebook are truly evil, but I don't know about EA. Of course they have had some missteps in the past few years and introduced the online pass, but they pale in comparison to the blight that is Activision Blizzard. :yuck:

Activision/Blizzard hasn't done anything egregious for quite a few years. (That'll change when Diablo 3 comes out, but until then) EA's stepped into the breach! Huzzah! EA is leading the general decline with its nickel-and-diming and poor quality games.

I love Facebook and EA. Never had a problem with either. I'd say maybe 60% of all of my favorite games are by EA and there's no problem with them whatsoever. Madden, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fight Night, Tiger Woods, FIFA. Great stuff.

Edit: ^ Love Activision too.

Edit 2: ooo, left out The Sims and Sim City...How could I forget those? So many hours dumped into them.

From what I can tell by your posts, you're a casual gamer i.e. unknowing and uninterested, so obviously EA's existence wouldn't bother you much.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 8:26 am

Activision isn't on that so the entire contest is invalid.
THIS! and some are missing. I say all of the ones there are all equally bad and voting is really tough.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:19 pm

TWC is regional. I think all the other companies are national.

Facebook is pure and utter crap... but they're neck and neck with the changes and complete lack of responsibility EA takes for their products.

But I think I have to go with Facebook. They'd svck out your soul and sell it back to you if they could.
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