I can't say I liked it even the first time. You're welcome to like it however. I just turn off the radio when it comes on.

That's a huge improvement over Fallout 3's radio however... I never listened to it because I hated Three-Dogs inane ramblings about "The Good Fight" (whatever the hell that was), most of the music, and President Eden's wanna-be fireside chats. I did like when Enclave Radio played the Marine Corps Anthem!

All games have some bugs or glitches--LOL--not like new Vegas--and nobody on here has yet supplied me with any REAL IMPROVEMENTS from FO3 to NEW Vegas.

Damage Threshold
Weapons Mods
Night Vision
Gambling
six
More dialogue/better IMO
More unmarked quests
Traits
Original Power armours
Ammo making
Poisons
hardcoe Mode
Better Companions
Return of Spears
Iron sites

Thats just off the top of my head. So much more.

Reputation System
Disguises
Weapons repair kits
Super stimpaks
Doctor Bags
Skill magazines

Much of that are from the originals.

I wanted to say something witty, but you beat me to it. :sadvaultboy:

Here's one. It's in New Vegas! How is that not an improvement! Instead of playing in a big rectangle, we get to play in a relatively accurate geographical area!

Plus I don't have to fumble around in the sandbox anymore (which is good because it was filled to the brim with syringes)!

LOL--you guys are funny--All of the above listed items could be consolidated into one name---

1. New features----new features such as ammo making and six and others are just simply that--NEW FEATURES.

That is not an improvement.

It could be viewed as an improvement in some peoples minds, but it boils down to opinion.

There is a difference between, New Features, New Improvements, Factual improvements and Opinion Improvements.

Let me rephrase the question.

What new additions or new features are in Fallout New Vegas that could not be added as DLC to Fallout 3?

Ammo making and six and other features listed could have been added in as DLC to Fallout 3.

Give me 3 things that could not be added as DLC and are REAL game improvements...not new features, something that has changed the gameplay so significantly that makes New Vegas improved over Fallout 3.

New Vegas is its own stand alone game its not a DLC of FO3. Everything we have listed makes New Vegas better then FO3. IMO. It has better story, Its not black and White like FO3. Closer to the originals. Can join more factions. If you want a new engine or better graphics you will have to wait till FO4. If thats what you have in mind as the only way to improve a game then to me that's sad.

So... Nothing (according to your line of thinking) could be considered an improvement? There were changes and as you so aptly said, they "could be viewed as an improvement in some peoples minds, but it boils down to opinion." So as long as there are some dissenters that believe that the changes are not improvements, they can't be considered improvements.

Brilliant! Way to squash the argument! You backed them into a corner with a semi-logical definition of "improvement"!

Well given your comment here, Obsidian could have been given the time to create a whole new game engine with improved character creation, improved NPC AI, improved graphics and all the rest which could be boiled down to the barest terminology of New Features. So that said, I'd say your argument is self defeating.

As to additions/new features that could not be added as DLC to Fallout 3.

1) The Factions and Factional Reputation System.
2) Traits
3) The Inability to create J.O.N.T.M.O.A. Golding characters
4) Vats no longer equates to Invincibility mode
5) Damage Threshold
6) Gambling
7) Player Craftable and Usable Poisons

To name a few from the ones Styles and myself have both mentioned in this thread. Ok you could argue that they could be added via DLC but would have required a major reworking of Fallout 3's core mechanics.

Edit: If you missed the original list I came up with, it's on page 2 of this thread.

8 - Overall writing and setting consistency.
9 - The feel of a Fallout game.

Judging by NX or whatever his name is, He's saying every game is a DLC.

Mass Effect 2 is a DLC.

Fallout 3 is a DLC.

Oblivion is a DLC.

Dragon Age is a DLC.

Final Fantasy is a DLC.

Everything is a DLC.

Real life is a DLC.

Because nothing is an improvement. Just a DLC.

Oh, Don't forget..

10 - An Original story thats actually good.

Well I knew something must've created me but I never guessed that it was a computer program. Where's the red pill when you need it?

[sarcasm]By that logic, I could say that F3 is a big friggen' DLC for Fallout 2. It just... adds better graphics![/sarcasm] :shakehead:

So who's now? :laugh:

The blue pill.. Or the red pill?

The blue pill, You can go back to your regular life, And live without knowing what happened..

Take the red pill... And you'll see how far down the rabbit hole alice is..

@ Smert: Niiiice.

More like "big friggen' DLC to Oblivion" as there are more general similiarities to that than there is to Fallout 2.....

[/sarcasm... I guess]

[Sarcasticwithplastic]Christmas is a DLC to Easter. :spotted owl: [Sarcasticbeingballistic/]

[sarcasmator] Well then I guess that every game after Teris IS nothing more but a big friggen' DLC too! Yes, I MUST be right![/sarcasmator] :flame:

Alice ate too many tasty treats and got stuck in the entrance of the rabbit hole. It was too easy to find her.

[sacrament]Yes. In every game you put some form of blocks together like you do in Tetris - whether in practice (Half Life boxladders for E.G.) or in theory (Monkey Island puzzles for E.G.), it's all the same. [/sacrament]

Fallout: New Vegas could be considered a DLC of Pong. I mean, things bounce off of other things in New Vegas... Not much of an improvement.

[Sarcastic] All games have pixels, So they must all be DLCs. [/Sarcastic]

Hey, what you just said is a DLC of my idea. Copyright infringement sir.

Even real life has pixels (atoms)!



Prove it, CaliBear!

I'll get the judge...