well, for a mages I dont think that there is a need, after all, all sort of magic shields cover their weakness spots rather fine. and typical mage either fights far from behind or is in the middle of combat but then I'm more than sure that no blade/arrow can reach him due shield protection.

but there is also cultural reference, why would superb intelligent Altmeri woman put a skimpy suit, why not simply full body covering beautifully crafted elven armour/or simply leather one.

funny about this link is that person said that armour ( with uncovered arms ) is a good example of both feminine and functional - to me it looks like an invitation to cut artery - but yes, both males and females should use the same armours

Are you sure it's the armor you think is 'sixy' and not the lack of it?
Again, I'd like to direct everyones attention to http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QIGO3XUZHe8/T6iZPxHbxEI/AAAAAAAAAIA/npPbG5YowZY/s1600/ElderScrollsOnline02.jpg. Tell me you don't think it looks ridiculous.
Fully armored, except for that certain someplace.
It's probably why most armies have uniforms, to avoid crap like this

Thank your for that interesting link!

Also: Welcome to the Forums, http://media.beta.photobucket.com/user/Enoil/media/DarkFishyStick.jpg.html?filters%5Bterm%5D=fishy%20stick&filters%5Bprimary%5D=images#/user/DaMuncha/media/FishyStickZombie.jpg.html?filters%5Bterm%5D=fishy%20stick&filters%5Bprimary%5D=images&_suid=135897498920108632717384785992! (Are fishy sticks still given altough this is "TES:O" and not "TES"?)



Not terribly ridiculous, but yes, it's strange. I'm sure it can get worse.

If it's going to stay this way, I'm ok with it. If it's taking the same route Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim went, then I'm pretty happy. As I said, I don't want to fight side by side with poledancers.

Looking at your avatar , I noticed that ZO didn't go overboard with cups size like most other online games which seems pretty realistic to me when you consider that Bosmers are known for their small stature.

I dont know about that, many times I find myself driven away from a game, just because its design clearly caters to adolescent boys.Take TERA for example. It may have the best combat system and deepest plot in any MMORPG, but I cant bring myself to play it just because I find it hideous.

I think most of the folks in the topic agree that variety is good, the argument is headed towards where the developers need to draw the line. Are cleavages fine? Plate bikinis? Thongs, bare chested women?nvdeness?

TESO isn't a real-life simulator. There's a difference between feminine and non-feminine.

armour is not to be feminine but protective and if it can be beautiful, even better. To me cleaveage is simply vulgar, to look feminine you dont need to show any bit of skin or make tight spots around curves.

Other words - "I'm a pevert".

I think Zenimax is trying to appeal to the MMO Market - where every man and his dog (and yes, I mean males) play female characters so they can oogle digital boobs. I don't mind it in the single player games - sometimes RP'ers might conceive of a character that fits a female better - but MMOs are hardly an RPers playground - leaving only one plausible motive...

Also, in addressing this quoted post - in Zenimax forcing female characters to dress like [censored]s, they're 'making that decision' for everyone - catering to people who want a little skin (pervs) and not allowing for more modest dressing for females. It will drive off female players, obstructs choice and demeans the game - all for the benefit of creeps. It makes me sad.

I can apreciate the point of view that it would be illogical for females to have armour that sculpts around their briasts. Obviously it's easier for the armour to stop at the briasts. That doesn't mean they need to show their skin. Ever heard of ring mail? The fact that people are arguing for these [censored]ty armours makes me sad to share a hobby with some of you. Can't we be gamers and not pervs?

Wow, people really feel strongly about this it seems.
Glad I avoided this batt-HEY WAIT.

Again, I'd like to direct everyones attention to http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QIGO3XUZHe8/T6iZPxHbxEI/AAAAAAAAAIA/npPbG5YowZY/s1600/ElderScrollsOnline02.jpg. Tell me you don't think it looks ridiculous.

Female armor shouldn't be revealing when it creates a disadvantage to combat!
(Joined the debate).

So the only way to look feminine is to show off your briasts?

I don't see how it would create a disadvantage to combat. This is a fantasy game. If dragons fly, then I don't see why skin shouldn't be shown.

Protective? Tell me how it can be "protective" when it's not even real. Armor values are made by Zenimax, not the armor model.


Yes... No, of course not. But I don't see what's wrong with a variety of armor. Some showing a bit more skin than others.

Get him Rosveen!

A) In the Elder Scrolls - yes - females do go to battle
Light Armour doesn't equal and armour that screams TAKE ME NOW! at every creepy male playing the game
C) If you think they should be dextorous - that's fine. I'm pretty sure youmcan be nimble without being naked.

Well, firstly, there is no dragons in the game.
Secondly, exposing your chest as a male or female is a large risk to take, considering your heart, lungs, oh and a few more extremely vital organs are in your torso.
But you know, put style in front of preserving your life, as you do.
Edit : I'm off to bed, I won't reply, sorry!

well, to be honest I only care about Altmer armours, I cannot imagine that noble and pride Altmeri women would sell their image in a cheap way, they are above mating rituals of lesser races and exposing skin is simply not for them

I don't see how it would create a disadvantage to combat. This is a fantasy game. If dragons fly, then I don't see why skin shouldn't be shown.


Protective? Tell me how it can be "protective" when it's not even real. Armor values are made by Zenimax, not the armor model.

immersion, one magical word, immersion and connection with image of what and how is protective

Exposing your chest is just as bad as running around without any armor on. Might as well take out the ability to take off armor and be forced to equip some sort of armor at all times.


I would imagine the Altmer to be wearing nothing at all. They're skimpy elves that like to show their stuffs around and you know that....

And I don't see how showing a bit of skin is immersion-breaking, as long as it isn't Tera-like armor. I would find it immersion-breaking if every single inch of females were covered up.

That's a rather convenient point of view - especially for a ROLE PLAYING GAME in which the objective is to get immersed. True, armour values are the only thing governening factor for armour - but if an armour is skimpy and clearly unprotective then it breaks immersion and ruins the seriousness of the game.

I too don't mind a vsriety. Skyrim handles female armour perfectly - revealing armour for bandits (makes logical sense), but the ability to completely cover up, snd in most cases. It doesn't advertise itself to peverts unlike MMOs. And tell me honestly, why do you advocate [censored]y dressing? Don't give me the spiel about feminism, it's crap - why do you want it? I think we both now why and it's pathetic.

No you wouldn't. No part of TES lore speaks about skimpy dressing. You just want to oogle digital boobs.

And surely these "skimpy elves" you mention aren't the same Altmer that I know - the highly cultured, haughty, socially intricate fascists from the Summerset Isles. Stop turning my TES into your six-toy. If you want to put those ridiculious lore breaking skimpy armour mods on your Skyrim game that's your business - but don't enforce it on those who take TES seriously.

I don't see how skirts or cleavage is immersion-breaking. If you'd explain, please... (and I think Skyrim's Forsworn armor is too skimpy, so I don't see why you're saying "skimpy armor is immershun breaking" while saying you actually like it).


I was just... kidding... about the whole elf thing.

I was just pointing out the huge GAP in opinion.

Hehee

your comprehension of Altmeri society went the wrong way. Considering their highest intelligence and a selective breeding, they are above simple animalistic rituals that include showing of skin/certain parts of body. Dont be vulgar, they dont like to show off anything, they simply thrive in what they have the best - almost everything.

every shown off piece of skin, especially in armours like the one presented on picture, literally invite to cut the troath of the opponent.


in fact I agree about forsworn, they are primitive cultists who run half naked, and I may even understand that there are pieces of armours that would make you almost completely naked - but never in case where the same armour is fully covering a male and in female case: it is showing half of the body.

Because a bunch of people who live in the wild and live off the land would wear expensive intricate armor, right?
Besides, both genders wear skimpy "armor", they're used to skirmishes, not full-on war.

Because it just - you know - doesn't MAKE ANY SENSE. What military do you know that would let their troops walk into battle dangerously under armoured and ready to sustain seriously injury. An anology - do American and British troops in Afghanistan send e women in in Bakinis and the men in wearing Flak jackets. Nope, they wear the same armour because they don't want to sacrifice their female force for "style".

I didn't mean the Forsworn when I said bandits. I think the Forsworn armour is disgusting. They'd all die of Hypothermia. The bandit armour is tolerable because it is worn by savages, but even then they wear some form of fur. I'd prefer it not to be in the game.

Besides, the reason you're arguing for skimpy armour proves my objection to it. You want to oogle boobs - you don't care about RPing or choice.

In Skyrim - they certainly wouldn't wear that...

Well maybe I want to roleplay as some crazy hermit?


Nope. I find it immersion-breaking when all male and females look the same.