its in the video, very blurry, discolered and small though (projector screen)

If combat was like that I wouldn't touch TESO, even if it had Skyrim graphics. Why people think that spinning around in a little cardboard box (first person) and violating your mousebuttons is somehow good or even more immersive gameplay is just beyond me. Third person is the natural choice for an MMO where coordinated efforts are required - would you play first person chess?

Which is too bad, because Cyrodiil in the MMO's time frame (middle of the Second Era) looks nothing like the one in Oblivion. For one, most of it is a tropical jungle. Also, the Akaviri didn't invade yet and lots of stuff which we saw in ruins in Oblivion is still just fine.

The Star Wars pod racing game, and KOTOR are two completely different games in almost every way, yet both are Star Wars games.

Thusly, Skyrim and TESO are both Elder Scrolls games....

You seem to think that MMOs are RTS games? There are MMORTSs yes, but this is decidedly not one, you don;t control multiple characters from a birds-eye view. At least I hope its not an MMORTS, that would be even worse!

I prefer to BE my character rather than watch my character. I feel more connected. I don't mind a 3rd-person option to appease people who prefer it, but first person is absolutely the best when it comes to world immersion and visceral combat. You might have a narrower view of MMOs than most.

Clearly you're hatin', but I do agree about the 1st person view. It's one of the things in the series that makes it great. I enjoy 3rd person sometimes, so I will learn to live with it... still not ideal though.

No, I don't think MMOs are RTS games. But they are multiplayer games that involve strategy.

FIrst person doesn't make me feel as if I were that character, at all. That's just not how I perceive the world. In 3rd person, I am aware of my surroundings and my appearance, and thus more immersed. 1st person is just a stale attempt to represent reality, that puts too much emphasis on the location of the human eyeball, as if that was where every experience originated. I don't find it more visceral at all.

Are the GI videos on YouTube?

Yeah, Matt Firor produced Daoc. But he was also on of the causes that Mythic had one of the worst information policies of all time. We will see if this is still a acceptable behaviour in our days.

Well that's you, but not everyone is like you. And...um...you perceive the WORLD in third-person? HOW!? Do you do like, out-of-body exercises and stuff?

Fixed it for you.

Yes, that's me, but it shows that not everyone prefers 1st person for immersion either.
And no, I don't perceive reality in third person. Both 1st and 3rd person try to translate reality into the gaming medium, and both have to sacrifice certain aspects of it due to technical restrictions (until we get Star Trek's holodeck, that's what we have to deal with). For me, the disadvantages of 1st person outweigh those of 3rd. For example, in reality, I'm always aware of my surroundings and my place in the environment, which is better visualized in 3rd person - in 1st, I quickly lose orientation.

There are things that can be said for 1st, though, as (for example) it allows for better detailed expection of objects - putting anything on a shelf in 3rd person Skyrim is a task not unlike building a Jenga tower witch your teeth. But for combat, especially with other players, I strongly prefer 3rd person.

Best example my friend ! You have even a reeskined age of empires of star wars, a battlefield 1942 star wars version, and so on. So many different games and they′re all star wars. Damn, there is also a DANCING KINETIK ABERRATION GAME of star wars.... THAT IS BAD REALLY.
I think its pointless to discuss, because the people complaining, just dont like MMO, so, no matter if its PERFECt, they still dont like.
In my case, I like to try new things. I think the BEST potential of this game, is to actually ROLE PLAY with other people and not just speak and talk with plainly NPC. I will love to have lore in game role play chats. I think THAT is the point of the game. And most of you are missing it, or just dont like the idea of someone else being best than you (Cause in single player you in time become a GOD )

Fatal flaw in the anology: Star Wars games are all based on film properties. The movie cannot define the genre or gameplay of a game because it isn't the same medium. ESO is a game, based on a property that originated as a game. A better anology would be that ESO is like "The Ewok Adventures" movies to the original "Star Wars" trilogy.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087225/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089110/

You are right people that think they are so right have a blind eye or some reason need you to back up your claim. Why? You did back your claim of the game and they still argue, is this because they dont trust in what they are saying? why are they so bother by what you are saying? lol i know what I know and you know what you know and you dont need to proof anything. This comment wasnt meant i was agreeing with you but how i found it funny that the people you are debating is so bothered and it feels like they dont trust what they are debating and thats the reason why they attack. thats how it looks when you read all the posts

You don't actually have to do it (... but people who have outstanding spatial senses can certainly percieve the world around them in "3rd person" without seeing it as such) to bump against the limitations of the first-person view which the third-person one solves. For example, I have pretty good peripheral view - I can easily track the position, form and movement (but obviously not colour) of several objects which are to the both sides of my head at the same time, without moving my head or looking in any other direction than straight ahead. To even attempt that in first-person, you need at least three monitors - preferably five or six (one of them for "up") of them.

That is your view of things. Because, for me, the game transcend itself. The "game" its just a medium to play a second in a history GREATER. That is the lore in its whole.
And there, you CAN compare both cases.
If not, and you just DONT LIKE, dont know what are you doing here, because, telling your hunger/fear/frustration/dissapointment one time, is good, is for what this forums are in part. But hell...Im reading the same song of the same people in EVERY post no matter the topic.

And why yoy say ESO is like "the ewok adventure" ? Or I assume you played the game entireli to make such statement (wich in case of not, your sarcastic anology also fail )

You seem like the type of guy/gal with an active imagination. If you are into the RP like you say you are, seeing your character on the screen should be viewed as a challenge to RP, not the stopping point. Stop crying all day and puking and making end of the world this game svcks statements, and figure out how to make the game fun for you. Or, you can do the rest of us a favor and go back to the single player forums. That seems to be your thing.

Nope. The CHIM Talos used works retroactively as well. Cryodiil was never a jungle.

Yay for lore based retcons!

They use the same height-map so that hills, rivers, lakes and mountains are in the same places and they're putting points of interest, most likely ruins and caves, which it would make sense hadn't moved in the same places. They haven't outright said anything about the climate or vegetation.


As for the conversation about third-person vs first-person: Some people are outright incapable of playing games in first person while the opposite, being physically incapable of playing games in third person is far rarer. As the last games have included third person meaning that probably a significant portion of the fanbase already plays TES in third-person.

No, they aren't. A pod Racing Game isn't any more a Starwars RPG, which is what KOTOR is supposed to be, than Redguard and Battlespire were TES games.

The pod racing game is a SPINOFF, just like Redguard, just like Battlespire.

TES Online isn't even good enough to be a Spinoff of TES, much less be associated with TES.

I forgot you have been in the ALPHA to know exactly what the game is in all phases including end game PvP. Please leave the forums and go to your precious single player forum. You don't see us invading that portion of the world. Stick to yours.

You know what? After listening to Firor I just want DAoC 2, and with that in mind I have no idea why The Elder Scrolls needed this. The RvR format would have suited George R.R. Martins' Westeros better. I want this to be good so badly it makes my loins ache.

Matt Firor has mentioned that Todd set some "5 statements" as the foundation for this game AFAIK.

They'll probably have a 1st person zoom-in option, but I'll be honest with you: If you go into a pvp zone in first person, you are going to be at an extreme disadvantage.