[Anthony Diaz]

A thread for discussing the books, TV series, games or any of the other novels written by GRR Martin relating to the ASOIAF series.

[Brian LeHury]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fPgIIB67bw&list=FLJZJrtLb7GKU6Y1iSRxVGwQ&index=4

From the last thread

[bonita mathews]

What do you think will happen next in The Winds of Winter?

[Queen]

What do you think will happen next in The Winds of Winter?

Prophecy

[electro_fantics]

What do you think will happen next in The Winds of Winter?

This'll be fun

But there's so much that I can't quite possibly list everything in one post.

Spoiler

-Jon's parentage is revealed and he is "reborn", becoming TPTWP/AA/etc.
-the Vale enters the war after "Alayne" marries Harry the Heir, and her true identity is revealed (remember her marriage to Tyrion was never consumated and I'm pretty sure the marriage became invalid once Tyrion killed Tywin, so the Lannisters can't inherit Winterfell or wherever)
-Stannis's army and the Manderly forces take Winterfell back from the Boltons/Freys and Stannis or one of Robb's bannermen holds down the fort until a Stark takes the seat (probably not Jon since [censored] just went down at the Wall, though since he was declared Robb's heir in the will, I think Jon may be able to give the seat up, so Rickon or Sansa?).
-Sam learns more about dragons, and possibly the "ice dragon" in the Wall.
-Aegon takes Storm's End (this is actually confirmed), and possibly King's Landing
-Meereen is won thanks to Victarion, Tyrion, and Selmy. Selmy dies
-Dany comes back to Meereen with a big ass khalasar
-The Blackfish resurfaces, possibly going back to his niece's (Lysa's) place, though he likely doesn't know she's dead yet.
-The Blackfish and the Vale army marches on Casterly Rock to free Edmure.
-Arya continues to bore me over in Braavos
-Bran does some more greenseeing and warging, possibly warging into a tree, being able to communicate with one of his relatives
-To be continued

[A Boy called Marilyn]

What do you think will happen next in The Winds of Winter?

Lots and lots of bad [censored].

Spoiler

The Others are coming south, hence the title. Winter finally came (sixual pun not intended)

[DarkGypsy]

I really hope that season 3 delves into the history and lore of Westeros. You know, more about Robert's Rebellion, the Tower of Joy, Sack of King's Landing, the Tournament at Harrenhal, the Greyjoy Rebellion, etc.

[Claudz]

So I have one episode left in season 2 and I am all caught up (saving it for tomorrow so I have something to look forward to) and I have a quick question for those who are familiar with the books. Is the show pretty spot on with the books? I dont expect them to match them word for word and scene by scene but are the fairly close to each other? I ask because I know True Blood has taken a completely different path than the Sookie Stackhouse novels.

Also are they as mature as the series as far as "advlt" material goes?

[Antony Holdsworth]

Season one, yes. Damned near page for page. Season two on the other hand, while fairly faithful, took a lot more liberties than the first season in terms of direction.

Also HBO being HBO, the sixuality is amped up a bit in the TV series.

[Jodie Bardgett]

Season one, yes. Damned near page for page. Season two on the other hand, while fairly faithful, took a lot more liberties than the first season in terms of direction.

Also HBO being HBO, the sixuality is amped up a bit in the TV series.

I expected as much from HBO, could you spoiler me some differences between season 2 and the books?

[Jerry Jr. Ortiz]

I expected as much from HBO, could you spoiler me some differences between season 2 and the books?

I actually have a post typed up on another forum that I'll copy/past here for ya. Don't read it until you've finished the final episode.

Spoiler

Jon: He's supposed to be "turning his cloak" to fool the wildlings into thinking he's one of them now, basically reconnaissance. The Halfhand says "You must not balk." plenty of times in the book, basically saying that Jon must go on and not turn back. And the Halfhand orders Jon to kill him to "prove" himself to the wildlings. If I recall, Ghost attacks first and Jon jumps in and they kill him.

Arya: Her arc was completely different once she reached Harrenhal. She was a servant in the kitchens, and assumed a new nickname, Weasel. IIRC she served Roose Bolton and a couple of his bannermen. One of her "kills" by Jaqen H'ghar was different, I believe. But geographically her story is pretty much the same as in the book. Also she got her first kill by killing a guard when trying to leave Harrenhal.

Dany: Her dragons weren't stolen, the House of the Undying was COMPLETELY different (to avoid spoilers I'd imagine, MAJOR spoilers if shown on TV, some stuff the latest books haven't even touched on yet), and Xaro was left alive.

Robb/Talisa: He married Jeyne Westerling from a noble house, out of honor, not love. Robb was injured and he married the girl Jeyne, who nursed him back to health. He heard about Bran/Rickon's "deaths" and that's when he decided to marry Jeyne. Basically "what else do I have to lose?". Also, Robb and Catelyn have not heard about Bran/Rickon's "deaths" in season 2, in book 2 like I said above.

Bran and co.: Two characters from House Reed show up, Meera and Jojen (who will be in season 3), they are the children of Howland Reed, the only remaining survivor from the Tower of Joy events (Ned Stark was one too but you know what happened to him.). They likely know some VERY crucial information that may change the entire plot, we'll have to see. Also, Rickon and Osha split away from Bran, Hodor, and the Reeds in book 2, after the burning of Winterfell.

Jaime/Brienne: The stuff you see when they're traveling together doesn't happen until the beginning of book 3. It just happened earlier, that's all.

Those are the major changes. There is another minor change or two in Blackwater, such as the chain that Tyrion built in the book to trap Stannis's fleet. Also, Stannis didn't do any fighting in the book, he hung out in the back.

More random stuff: In the books, Joffrey is less evil but still a terrible king. I think it's implied that Cersei was the one who ordered Robert's bastards to be killed in episode 1 or 2 of season 2. Bran's Dire wolf is named "Summer" and Robb's Dire wolf is named "Grey Wind.", I don't they've named those 2 on the show yet. Also the [censored] Ros (the red headed one with nice [censored]) doesn't exist in the books.

[Ana]

Also HBO being HBO, the sixuality is amped up a bit in the TV series.

I don't think it's even just HBO, I think the showrunners also have a huge boner for sixposition.

When I think back on Rome or Deadwood, for example, I remember some six and nudity, but my impression is that Game of Thrones has more than the two of them combined.

[Ezekiel Macallister]

I actually have a post typed up on another forum that I'll copy/past here for ya. Don't read it until you've finished the final episode.

Spoiler

Jon: He's supposed to be "turning his cloak" to fool the wildlings into thinking he's one of them now, basically reconnaissance. The Halfhand says "You must not balk." plenty of times in the book, basically saying that Jon must go on and not turn back. And the Halfhand orders Jon to kill him to "prove" himself to the wildlings. If I recall, Ghost attacks first and Jon jumps in and they kill him.

Arya: Her arc was completely different once she reached Harrenhal. She was a servant in the kitchens, and assumed a new nickname, Weasel. IIRC she served Roose Bolton and a couple of his bannermen. One of her "kills" by Jaqen H'ghar was different, I believe. But geographically her story is pretty much the same as in the book. Also she got her first kill by killing a guard when trying to leave Harrenhal.

Dany: Her dragons weren't stolen, the House of the Undying was COMPLETELY different (to avoid spoilers I'd imagine, MAJOR spoilers if shown on TV, some stuff the latest books haven't even touched on yet), and Xaro was left alive.

Robb/Talisa: He married Jeyne Westerling from a noble house, out of honor, not love. Robb was injured and he married the girl Jeyne, who nursed him back to health. He heard about Bran/Rickon's "deaths" and that's when he decided to marry Jeyne. Basically "what else do I have to lose?". Also, Robb and Catelyn have not heard about Bran/Rickon's "deaths" in season 2, in book 2 like I said above.

Bran and co.: Two characters from House Reed show up, Meera and Jojen (who will be in season 3), they are the children of Howland Reed, the only remaining survivor from the Tower of Joy events (Ned Stark was one too but you know what happened to him.). They likely know some VERY crucial information that may change the entire plot, we'll have to see. Also, Rickon and Osha split away from Bran, Hodor, and the Reeds in book 2, after the burning of Winterfell.

Jaime/Brienne: The stuff you see when they're traveling together doesn't happen until the beginning of book 3. It just happened earlier, that's all.

Those are the major changes. There is another minor change or two in Blackwater, such as the chain that Tyrion built in the book to trap Stannis's fleet. Also, Stannis didn't do any fighting in the book, he hung out in the back.

More random stuff: In the books, Joffrey is less evil but still a terrible king. I think it's implied that Cersei was the one who ordered Robert's bastards to be killed in episode 1 or 2 of season 2. Bran's Dire wolf is named "Summer" and Robb's Dire wolf is named "Grey Wind.", I don't they've named those 2 on the show yet. Also the [censored] Ros (the red headed one with nice [censored]) doesn't exist in the books.

lol I read it anyways and I pretty much figured most of that would happen. And Ros strangely enough seemed like a added character to me.

[Penny Courture]

I hate Ros. Everything about her and her existence.

[yermom]

Ros is alright, I mean, it's not like those sixposition scenes would just go away if she was cut from the show. Better an actual character than Random Unnamed prosttute #45.

[Teghan Harris]

I think the addition of Ros was good, it gave us someone we knew to sympathise with when

Spoiler

Cersai brought her before Tyrion beaten and bloody and would inflict every injury on her that Joff got in battle. Having her means they didn't need to focus so much on Tyrion's visits to a [censored]house to visit Shae, remember she was hidden there before being taken into the Red Keep. I think she replaces Alayaya as that was the suspected "favorite" Tyrion had at that [censored]house.

Besides she's quite good looking too

[Lauren Graves]

If you didn't read the books then you have no idea what is about to hit you in season 3.

[ijohnnny]

Question about ACoK: How can some, people like Theon? I mean, I'm only on the.....second Theon chapter I believe, and so far, he's just come off like an entitled [censored]. Does he actually change as a character as the story progresses?

[OnlyDumazzapplyhere]

Question about ACoK: How can some, people like Theon? I mean, I'm only on the.....second Theon chapter I believe, and so far, he's just come off like an entitled [censored]. Does he actually change as a character as the story progresses?

Ohhh yes... yes he changes very much later on.
-Giving nothing away.

[michael danso]

Question about ACoK: How can some, people like Theon? I mean, I'm only on the.....second Theon chapter I believe, and so far, he's just come off like an entitled [censored]. Does he actually change as a character as the story progresses?

Yes he does. Whether it is for "the better" though is a matter of debate.

[lucile davignon]

If you didn't read the books then you have no idea what is about to hit you in season 3.

As good as season 3 will be, I think season 4 will be even better.

Obviously don't read this if you haven't read the books:

Spoiler

Joffrey's death, Oberyn vs. Mountain, Tyrion killing Tywin and Shae, Sansa finally leaving KL, Jon being elected as LC and executing Janos Slynt, Stannis arriving at the Wall, "Only Cat" *shove*, and Lady Stoneheart. And I think some very early parts of a A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons will leak into the latter part of season 4.

[Chelsea Head]

Is it just me, or does Dany annoy the hell out of you!!!!


I AM A DRAGON, BLAH BLAH BLAH, THE TARGEYANS DESERVE TO RULE BLAH BLAH BLAH, IT'S MY BIRTHRIGHT BLAH BLAH BLAH

[Katy Hogben]

She does a little. Her acceptance of the idea that the common people will rise in her favour as a matter of fact seems quite naive, although it's quite understandable given her early life.

Also, to be fair, Stannis and Joffrey seem to be just as obsessed with the idea that they "deserve to rule". I think it's more a facet of feudal systems and inheritance of rulership than of her personality.

[RaeAnne]

Also, to be fair, Stannis and Joffrey seem to be just as obsessed with the idea that they "deserve to rule". I think it's more a facet of feudal systems and inheritance of rulership than of her personality.

Actually, while I agree with Joff, Stannis motives for wanting to rule is completely selfless (Unlike every other character in the book series) because it's his duty.

[Sophie Payne]

She does a little. Her acceptance of the idea that the common people will rise in her favour as a matter of fact seems quite naive, although it's quite understandable given her early life.

Also, to be fair, Stannis and Joffrey seem to be just as obsessed with the idea that they "deserve to rule". I think it's more a facet of feudal systems and inheritance of rulership than of her personality.

I think by the end of the series, the war for the Throne is just going to become an all-out war, whoever wins, wins. No "rightful" heir. People with no claim whatsoever will fight for it.

I'm still a huge Stannis supporter and believe that he is indeed the "rightful heir", though.