I did a several month study of 3d worlds and games as part of my degree (and if I dont stop posting here I'll never finish it) and the consensus seemed to be that most games are played by males in their early twenties, tailing off as it rises into the thirties, forties etc. The emphasis being on games that are quick and dirty, load em up, run them and pull the plug when youre done. PC's take a bit more thought and effort for higher rewards in graphics, gameplay, mods etc. The games that provided player interactivity, as in ability to re-design, add to and so forth take a great deal more effort and cost to produce, so the risk is greater. There is also a pendulum swing for most things of fashion, at the moment the pendulum is swinging towards the "all in on the console bandwagon" and as more and more games companies do this mods and mod interest will fade, but there will reach a point where the profit is in standing out from the crowd, so a company will come along and put effort into interactive content, the gaming crowd will see something unique and clamour for it. The pendulum swings until it reaches the point where there are too many games with mod facility and the sales v effort effect kicks in again as the same number of players spread wide across the numerous mod platforms. Then someone will concentrate on quick and easy and fashion repeats itself.

Same with jeans, funnily enough. A swing from skinny to baggy, and back again. Some call it innovation, others call it getting bored with the same old same old and looking for something different.

You act like I'm trying to censor personal opinion. I was simply stating that everyone seems to be railing against and bashing Bethesda just because they could not fix one bug. In my opinion, most people are acting like this: "You're going to fix it? Yay! Hooray!" But when it's learned that one bug can't be fixed, then it's like: "You can't fix it? YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR USERS OR YOUR CK!!!!!" Yeah. Despite the fact that they are taking their time to work on a fix for two other critical bugs that will render most mods broken anyway.

And besides, in my opinion, the NavMesh bug was far more serious than this one. THAT is the one they should be devoting their attention to, because it renders mods with new interiors and landscapes completely broken. If this wasn't fixed, then the big world mods wouldn't happen anyway.

EDIT: Also, I love the way you slandered Alexander J. Velicky's opinion a few pages back. You said "Don't be so arrogant as to think that your view is the only one with merit". You're the arrogant one, because you can't seem to tolerate what other people think.

Theres a lot of this about. I can get by with own opinions, but opinions of opinions are a bit pointless. As if we're going to say, "Yes I am completely wrong, thanks for straightening that out"

Anyway going way off the point of the thread here. After chatting with Maegfaer we will open up another thread purely dedicated to breaking through this bug. The discussion of whether it should be fixed by Bethesda or not is entirely right to have I think and I'll happily partake, but the two issues should be kept seperate dont you think? one for fixing it, another for showing our disaproval of the whole thing so far.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1352988-fixing-the-64x64-cell-havok-bug-for-when-you-just-want-a-bigger-world/

sorry if the intro is a bit Peter and Jane, but I wanted to thoroughly define it so that everybody, new to seasoned can understand it and understand it. The idea is to focus on a third party fix. If Bethesda decide to do the decent thing in the meantime then all well and good. I have to bow to others opinions that we (including me) cant go on moaning about it and hoping B will come along like the good fairy and sort it out. I dont think they will.

This might be a stupid suggestion but what the heck nothing wrong with a bit of brain storming. Is there any way you could put another layer of collision around the surface of the heightmap to prevent this happening?

Such a shame. There go my hopes of Skyrim being a game I play for years to come.

How narrow-minded. Why don't you look at the big picture? Despite this misfortune, there will still be thousands of mods rolling in on both Skyrim Workshop and Skyrim Nexus. This bug will only impede modders who are thinking about making huge new worldspaces and lands. If you're not planning on making/playing any big world mods, then you really have nothing to complain about. You act as though big world mods are the only things modders will ever create. A big world mod isn't the only thing that will make the game continue to be enjoyable.

Woah, opinion police. Apologies officer, I'll get right behind your personal viewpoints and leave mine at the door next time I check into the BGS forums. /sarcasm

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As much as I love Arth's villages and Open Cities, Duke Patrick's combat overhauls, and the myriad of visual overhauls, they either only add a small amount of replayability that add to the vanilla game (Arth's mods), or improve on the base mechanics and graphics. It's the huge landmass mods that make TES games remain enjoyable for me for years down the line. If I was restricted to Vvardenfell and Cyrodiil, I wouldn't be playing TES 3 and 4 today. As much as I believe in talented modders like ShadeMe and Ethatron (and who knows who else will make a name for themselves in the next few years) being able to fix this issue down the line, it's going to be too late for a unified Tamriel, explorable by land and sea seamlessly, without loading screens. We'll have to make do with closed-border provinces and mis-matching LOD at best.

Of course it's not going to destroy the game. It's just a missed opportunity given how well so many large worldspace mod teams had been collaborating on these projects compared to Oblivion mod teams 5 years ago.

Ditto the above

I dont understand why people who are not interested in large world mods are bothering to get involved in a thread talking about large world mods? Do these people also visit trainspotting, birdwatching, snail racing and other such sites that they couldnt care less about and get involved? Its starting to sound more like a platform for Bethesda's cheerleaders than dealing with the issues of getting Middle Earth, Tamriel, Mesogea and the like into the game.

Can some of you folks let me know the issues you want fixed then perhaps I could drop in there and tell you I'm not bothered and that maybe you shouldnt be either, because your issues arent a big deal to me, you cant be allowed to be annoyed by them?

Its beyond me, it really is. Honestly, some people...