No its pathetic...

Is it? There's nothing saying my theory is false. My theory fits in perfectly.
The "aggressiveness" of Alduin could be an illusion, as part of Mehrunes Dagon's curse. My way also explains the Dragonborn's lust for power, and why he's fighting the son of Akatosh.

And you said yourself, it's just ONE book. Clearly unreliable. The claims made by that book are definitely new too; we've never heard of them before. And hell we don't even know who the author truly is. He could be anybody.

Why is everyone barking like a chiwawa? Calm down everyone, it's getting childish.

All we have is what has been given. For some that's enough to draw facts, but others would wait till they see it with their own eyes. There's NOTHING wrong with either side, so please, enough is enough.

We saw a dragon dive under ice, in a dlc made about vampires known to hide under ice. I doubt the lore-book was completely skipped on.

Your ability to absorb dragon souls backs up the claim, the fact that multiple people be they dragons, Greybeards, Blades or spirits in Sovngarde all identify Adulin as being Adulin and you as being Dragonborn. The book is backed up by what we see in game. You're making things up because your angry and being foolish enough to trust a vampire's word on the abilities of other vampires.

If vampire were real. Would you trust someone who claims to be a vampire as a reliable source on information about vampires. No because your not foolish, so why would you trust an in-game vampire about vampires.

Again, Immortal Blood doesn't say anything about that ability being unique to them.

I'm arguing that if you're going to say "This book can't be trusted because there aren't any confirming sources," it's silly to accept that the author is who he claims he is. It might have been written by the mer equivalent of Stephen King.

But let's assume that the facts the author puts forth about his identity are true. If he really is a vampire, one can assume he's of the Cyrodillic strain because there's no irony in the conclusion of the story otherwise. It's more than safe to assume that he isn't Volkihar, Keerilth, Bonsamu, Telboth, or Yekef, because it's unlikely that he'd tell someone about his own abilities, especially if the person wants to kill vampires. However, the gaps in his stories about their abilities can come from either a genuine lack of knowledge, or a conscious decision to withhold information so that the vampire hunter is more likely to be killed by his prey. When it comes to the Cyrodiilic strain, he only mentions their ability to conceal themselves. He says nothing of their tactics other than feeding on people in their sleep, and that they are indistinguishable as long as they haven't fed. He's given the hunter much less info that's usable here than he has with the other vampires.

If he's a vampire, the question then is why would he sell out his own kind? Well if he's a Cyrodiilic vampire, or a member of the Order, it makes sense for him to tell him how to hunt other vampires. If this guy succeeds in wiping out his competition, it makes the vampire's job much easier.

Look, here's my point.


Why does the Book of the Dragonborn exist? To justify you playing as a race that isn't Nord or Imperial, that's why. It's to give the player freedom. It's a TOOL used by Bethesda as WRITERS to give the player freedom.
That is exactly the claim I was making. The in-game books are literary tools that establish the lore. You guys are suggesting they're not reliable, not literary tools and not to be taken seriously.

In your world? My theory is completely plausible. Bethesda could very well confirm it as legitimate next TES game.
In my world? The Book of the Dragonborn is, at the very least, somewhat credible. It was created with a purpose and SHOULD have a purpose.

Now which do you prefer? The Book of the Dragonborn that we can rely on as fact, or the one that's opinion and my Mehrunes Dagon theory is entirely legitimate?

I'm gonna guess you prefer relying on it. As would most readers.
And that is EXACTLY why several of us are annoyed with this dramatic change in the Volkihar: because we were led to expect a much different Volkihar.

ooh good point this book might have no real lore backround but really a novel written to sell... now how much lore do we have

Never said it wasn't but a completely pointless attempt at discrediting other peoples thoughts by porrly mimicing them in a rather long winded way, definetely seems like ranting...

..but was also backed up by things we saw with our own eyes and experienced (in Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion). Why would he suddenly be wrong or lying about the Volkihar after being spot-on with the Illiac Bay, Vvardenfell, and Cyrodiil clans?

I don't agree that just because there's only one bit of information that it must be true, though. You don't need opposing viewpoints for the one given to be incorrect. However, from a writing standpoint, changing what was previously believed (via unreliable narration) is best done when said change makes it "better" (a highly subjective point of reference, I know; hence lots of disagreements). Changing things just for the heck of it makes it look sloppy.

Can we just all agree, that no matter how horrible you think Dawnguard is, you're still gonna buy it? Jesus.

If you think it's stupid, then why are you playing the damn game?

The talos mistake seems like an utterly biased and unreliable source... a tool used by bethesda to show you that in-game books cannot be always be trusted... dammit they were preparing for this "retconn" for a while!

I don't expect anything special for playing on the PC other than specialized controls that work for the platform. In other words, a UI that doesn't require you to revert to arrow keys, and functional keybinding. Your argument is like if an Xbox player complained that their right bumper didn't work - you'd reply with "Right Bumper is a special Xbox button, you don't deserve anything special."

You can't possibly be serious.

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And, I agree with Longknife; It's quite obvious what is the most probable scenario, and you all argue against anything just to keep people off of bashing your beloved Bethesda (that I used to treasure more than you can fathom), because you believe they are kings of storytelling after playing through Skyrim once or something. Then, whenever the DLC is released, and they are Volkihar, you'll find some other excuse to fall back on that isn't quite as strong as an argument than your current one - "You don't know for sure." When we do know for sure, and nothing has changed, and it is total generic and cliche fantasy vampire butchery of lore, you'll change your tune to something else even more insane. I honestly think none of you think for yourselves.

My thoughts exactly, why dont you hang out on the new vegas fourms long knife...

It sure looks like he likes new vegas..

Because of his avatar? Are you going to tell me to go back to the 'Loveless is the best album in the world fanforum' or something next? You seem to want to eliminate any opinions that differ from yours. If they aren't significant, they shouldn't matter to you, right?

Had there only been one dragonborn, sure mayble you would have a leg to stand on. However like all history, records are kept. St. Alessia was blessed by Akatosh himself according to those records. Prior Emelene Madrine, a member to the Order of Talos studied these records which further backs up his claims because it something that can be proven thus allowing him to give accurate information about the term dragonborn from that history according to the lore. This is not the case with this "other" book.

No because ive heard him rant about new vegas before.

Why do people doubt immortal blood but are fine with much more hastily written works?

It's supposedly written by a vampire. Who have a lot of time on their hands and aren't feasted upon by other vampires. Obviously they would know more about vampires than say.. a priest. (because someone thinks that a religious figure would never lie about something they perceive as evil- even after morrowind)

It has no contradicting book.

It does not Cite anything that would get in the way of gameplay.

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How about... The admins comb through the forums and find everyone who has been complaining and nagging about the DLC and make a list of people who can't buy it!

That way they have nothing to complain about because they arent playing it!

Again, Talos Mistake is what? A literary tool, shown by Bethesda. It gives you a clear view of what the Aldmeri Dominion believes, with every second Nord on the street disagreeing (and I believe a book from Skyrim may call Talos Mistake total BS, a book written by a Nord, I forget). The author specifically mentions they're from the Aldmeri Dominion. THIS is perfectly ok. I am not complaining that Talos Mistake isn't treated as 100% truth because Skyrim makes it clear it's an OPINION by providing counter-arguments to it.
Which again, is exactly my point: the books we find in games are tools of literature that we're supposed to use to better understand the TES universe.

That Immortal Blood had no book that opposed it's views? Sends the message it should be taken seriously.
That the Volkihar are now going in a completely different direction than what we previously heard? Obvious retcon.

Stop trying to justify a retcon and admit it's a retcon. That's exactly my complaint.

I, personally, am not fond of being told "Redguard hate magic!" and then next game lolwtfbbq they luvs dem sum magic.
I, personally, am not fond of being told "werebears are a real problem in Skyrim" and then come Skyrim I'm standing with M'aiq going "werebears? Where?"
I, personally, am not fond of being told the Volkihar are unique because of this and that, then come Skyrim they're half Cyrodiil strain, half Underworld movie.
I, personally, am not fond of being told about Shadowscales as if they were an important part of Argonian culture, then come next game they say "everything we taught you last game? Yeah forget it lolololollolol."

It's bad writing, simple as that. I have zero problem with TES wanting some sources to be unreliable sources in game, but that needs to be made clear. Do I complain about Morrowind, which was full of contradictions? No, because it was clear those contradictions were intentional and those sources were not meant to be reliable. Skyrim? No, these are retcons. Learn 2 write, Bethesda. You used to be able to...

Except the author said that the vampire hunter died, its a obvious lie.

Hi there Bigbossbalrog! How are you doing? Better, or so I hope.


Feel free to hit the edit button to rectify this knee jerk post of yours.

That must have been the book in the Vile Lair then that made the claim.

Movarth Piquine(the hunter from Immortal Blood) appears in skyrim and he's a Volkihar Vampire. Which means the author was a Volkihar and not a Cyrodillic.

Is it? Elaborate?

It's a game... its all a literary tool. That doesn't mean there not going to throw in some things that arn't accurate. What do you expect them to do? Give complete accurate information so that there is nothing left to interpretation by the person playing the game. Not even a real book does that.