Not if he's getting pummeled by two other werewoles I summoned. And I'm fully aware of that glitch. Werewolf is stronger. I've taken out legendary dragons in my werewolf form. Thats pretty op. Dual werewolf summon is awesome. try it.

There's only so much speed will do. Although you're definitely right about the werewolf summons. You probably NEED that to draw aggro away from you. But even then, it only take two or three stray arrows to your big toe and you're dead. At the end of the day, werewolves are melee glass cannons. They have zero armor (unless you have the Lord Stone/Mage armor), and their only defensive ability is summoning up more wolves.

Vampire Lords are in the same boat in terms of armor, but can at least stay at range. Say what you will, but two gargoyles (level 81, master difficulty) are VERY powerful. High attack power, but could use more health. Furthermore, Lords have mistform and can actually heal themselves on the go (unlike a werewolf). Finally, as long as you don't have Serana with you, the vampire Lord attacks actually do a TON of damage. Don't get me wrong, werewolves can be powerful, but if an archer becomes hell bent on killing you, you might be in some trouble.

Redundant, your wolf is being pummelled by my two gargoyles.

If your aware of the glitch then you should see how strong the drain life spell is, combined with the fact you can immobilise every enemy you come across by picking them up or paralysing them.

VL > Werewolf.

The main thing for me is the fact that you just don't lose health as a VL, the drain life spell is strong and it heals you at every cast. Doesn't matter if two werewolves are hitting me, I can probably heal it off as you hack away with no way to heal.

Do the spectral werewolves get the 'ragdoll' power attack?

Yea they do, which is what I'd use on those weak gargoyles of yours.

Redundant, your wolf is being pummelled by my two gargoyles.

If your aware of the glitch then you should see how strong the drain life spell is, combined with the fact you can immobilise every enemy you come across by picking them up or paralysing them.

VL > Werewolf.

The main thing for me is the fact that you just don't lose health as a VL, the drain life spell is strong and it heals you at every cast. Doesn't matter if two werewolves are hitting me, I can probably heal it off as you hack away with no way to heal.

Do the spectral werewolves get the 'ragdoll' power attack?

Let's face facts, your wolves would all be on the floor as soon as the VL saw you, the grip spell is incredibly strong.

Against bandit marauders it takes 3-4 spells on master to take one down, your werewolf has less health than that bandit marauder (which has 900) so your wolf will be dragged into the air, then taken out by 4 spells.

Sorry if this is irrelevant, but do you still remain naked when transforming out of the werewolf form? It's superficial but that's what the best part of the Vampire Lord is to me.

I took a lot of heat from arrows with new werewolf, and they dont do nearly as much damage for some reason. I also notice my enchantments from armor like health were still in effect, so its possible u get armor bonuses of some kind if you were wearing it before. I doubt it, but arrows seem to bounce off me now, and my health boost remained and stacked with werewolf health boost. Even without enchantments, dawnguard werewolf was no longer paperskinned for me.

Are you sure? That's what I thought about my vampire lord because it showed his stats being boosted. As for archers, most of them don't do too much damage anymore. Unlike before, I could run into Markarth and slaughter the entire town as a werewolf. They definitely ARE better than before. However, as soon as the forsworn brings out an archer, you're in trouble. Worst of all, you don't expect it. Forsworn archers seem to do double or even triple the damage of any other NPC, save for a few very high level bandits. On top of that, they would stand on terrain difficult for werewolves to get to (Bethesda giving us a little taste of our own medicine, perhaps?). That's the problem. Werewolves are deadly until you get to that one odd enemy with the grim reaper's bow. That's when you NEED some sort of defense.

Naw son. You obviously need to play werewolf more. I'd swarm him before he could hit more then one of us with that drain health grip, then he'd be getting ragdoll spammed, which actually only stuns the VL while he's flying, but he wouldnt be able to do anything while I lunge strike him over and over. He'd be locked up while getting striked all over. He'd be done in les then 10 seconds. No joke.

There are two arguments here, VL vs wolf form in a battle and how each form performs against the enemies of skyrim.

It's safe to say the battle between the two would be close, but the VL hugely outperforms the wolf against skyrims enemies. I'd also still give the edge to the VL in the vs battle, mainly as the grip is so strong, the only way the wolf could win is if it spawned on top of the VL.

Might as well with the speed he has at full sprint and since i can lunge hit while sprinting or running at normal speed. Also, werewolf kills enemies waaaaaay faster than vamp lord. I could just send in my wolves and attack him from behind, lunge locking him over and over.

They also die a lot quicker, VL are constently healing and removing all danger with their spells.

You play on master, so draugr deathlord archers hit for 300-400+ damage with no armor rating. Vampire lords can heal, fling the deathlords away or paralyse them before they fire.

You have to run at one, attempt to ragdoll it and chances are you will take an arrow hit. They also are rarely alone, at higher levels expect two or more deathlord ebony archers that hit for 400 damage and a few melee ones that hit for 200+.

You have to rely on the spectral werewolves to survive, I never really use the gargoyles and I destroy everything. I haven't seen the spectral werewolves yet so I won't speculate.

yup, wolves dont need clothes, we got fur.

Man you are really up in arms about this.

I took on Krosis last night with my Vampire Lord just to see who was the more lethal Undead. It was a blast, and I plan on doing this more, as each Dragon Priest has slightly different stats.

The Score stands at:

Nocturne: 1

Dragon Priests: 0

I took on Krosis last night with my Vampire Lord just to see who was the more lethal Undead. It was a blast, and I plan on doing this more, as each Dragon Priest has slightly different stats.

The Score stands at:

Nocturne: 1

Dragon Priests: 0



So I can fully back up everyone saying that Vampire Lords are the more lethal of the two, I've seen it. lol

Did vampiric grip work at all?

I just think people are missing out on some great gameplay. Werewolves are extremely powerful, if you're a warrior class. Mages not so much due to their low health.

Not on the Dragon Priest, no. I think it's because they use a magical hovering similar to the VL, or it could be that Ward that they use so often. haven't done much experimentation with it. But I still have six more Priests to test my theories on...

Oh I played wovles exclusively before they got the perk tree. No reason to play vampires. Now that they got the VL I got to try that.

Well, somebody needs to kill them. I mean, considering the fact that they're both hovering spellcasters, and both do similar things. There can only be one, amiright?

Oh I played wovles exclusively before they got the perk tree. No reason to play vampires. Now that they got the VL I got to try that.

You make it seem like its hard to run and lunge hit. You have to run, not sprint, and even if the arrow does hit, it doesnt do much damage anymore for whatever reason, even on master difficulty. Maybe because I'm 81, but i doubt it since it was still really hard before dlc. Also, I dont need to rely on the summons. They're just a luxury. I'm a one man army without em. If i get swarmed by draugr deathlords, I just ragdoll the whole crowd over n' over. You guys dont seem to realize how easy that is. I've seen both werewolf spectres and the gargoyles. Had the dual summon for gargoyles too. They're terrible. Die too quickly. The werewolf summons are even more powerful then the dremora lord summons, and i dont need enchanted gear to make THEM awesome.