If an immovable object is in the path of an unstoppable forc : Othor Games

» Sat May 12, 2012 10:25 pm

Erm what happens is..... you see, when...... I mean...... It's like this........ DAMMIT!

Where Michio Kaku? He must have the answer

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:17 am

a Girl with a santa hat will come along and DESTORY! :devil:

the Immovable object! allowing the Unstoppable force to contuine on it's path, Until she destorys that too :biggrin:

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:35 am

When an irresistible force Such as you, Meets an old immovable object like me. You can bet as sure as you live, something's gotta give.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:13 am

The unstoppable object is smart enough to not run straight into something so it just moves around the immovable object.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:34 am

World Peace.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:57 am

Isn't it obvious?

The unstoppable object bounces off and keeps moving.

In short, a change of direction.

» Sat May 12, 2012 7:38 pm

Nothing. The force keeps moving while the object stays still.
Its like you trying to run when someone has their palm on your head - You won't stop running but they are not going to move their hand.

Depending what the unstoppable force is, it would just hit the object and go in the direction gravity then took it.
Like throwing a ball (force) off the floor (object), the floor will never move for the ball, and the ball will not stop for the floor. So when the ball comes into contact with the floor, what happens? It bounces back - never stopping, and the floor never budging.

Same example could be done with dye through water onto and object - the dye will simply move around the object - Thus keeping the Unstoppable forces and Immovable Objects on their correct path.

Except that the ball does momentarily stop, and the floor does budge. Every time you move, the Earth moves in the opposite direction.

» Sat May 12, 2012 8:09 pm

Isn't it obvious?

The unstoppable object bounces off and keeps moving.

In short, a change of direction.

For a change of direction to occur the moving object has to not move for a very short amount of time.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:47 am

Except that the ball does momentarily stop, and the floor does budge. Every time you move, the Earth moves in the opposite direction.

Not quite. You can't always say "move" when talking about reaction forces because sometimes there is no actual displacement. The Force is still applied, but because it's an opposite and equal Force the Earth doesn't actually bump itself up to make the ball bounce. That would be an unequal Force.

For a change of direction to occur the moving object has to not move for a very short amount of time.

Actually now that I think of it there should be a perfect conservation of momentum in that change of direction too. The unstoppable force will lose no energy to the unmovable object, since it shouldn't absorb any energy.

» Sat May 12, 2012 9:11 pm

They politely greet each other.

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:49 pm

Actually now that I think of it there should be a perfect conservation of momentum in that change of direction too. The unstoppable force will lose no energy to the unmovable object, since it shouldn't absorb any energy.

But if they have equal amounts of energy, wouldn't they just appear to not be moving while transferring their energy. If the unstoppable force bounced off, it wouldn't be unstoppable now would it.

They politely greet each other.

While they discuss world politics over a nice cup of coffee.

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:06 pm

Seeing as no object is 100% solid (on the atomic level, there is always a form of vibration between particles, leaving extremely small and open space), the unstoppable force would probably "dematerialize" so to speak, losing a lot of it's mass to pass through the space between particles.

Immovable object beats unstoppable force.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:31 am

a Girl with a santa hat will come along and DESTORY! :devil:

the Immovable object! allowing the Unstoppable force to contuine on it's path, Until she destorys that too :biggrin:

Rawr!?

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:48 am

But if they have equal amounts of energy, wouldn't they just appear to not be moving while transferring their energy. If the unstoppable force bounced off, it wouldn't be unstoppable now would it.

Sure it would still be unstoppable. We have unstoppable objects in the real world - light, for example, can't be stopped. It literally can't exist at any speed lower than the speed of light. It can be redirected, lose or gain energy, or be transformed into matter - but it can't ever be stopped.

» Sat May 12, 2012 9:52 pm

Sure it would still be unstoppable. We have unstoppable objects in the real world - light, for example, can't be stopped. It literally can't exist at any speed lower than the speed of light. It can be redirected, lose or gain energy, or be transformed into matter - but it can't ever be stopped.

Light can be slowed and potentially stopped. Research is currently being done on stopping it, but slowing light is pretty easy.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:31 am

Light can be slowed and potentially stopped. Research is currently being done on stopping it, but slowing light is pretty easy.

It can be arbitrary slowed down - by changing the local speed of light - but not stopped.

» Sun May 13, 2012 3:45 am

They continue to collide? I don't think you thought this question through.

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It can't be stopped yet, light that is. Though some day I'm sure we'll manage it.

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:37 pm

It's also dependent on what this unstoppable force IS. Is it a moving unstoppable force of liquid? Is it solid? Is it gas? Is it photonic or of particles? If it's liquid, it can split itself to move around the immovable object. If it's solid, an indefinite explosion possibly destroying the world would happen. If it's gas it could move around the object. If it's photonic it could be reflected, or go through it. If it's particle, it can go through it.

Then there's also the question of whether or not the unstoppable force is something on the atomic level, like electrons.

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:38 am

They continue to collide? I don't think you thought this question through.

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It can't be stopped yet, light that is. Though some day I'm sure we'll manage it.

Doesn't it stop when it hits our eyes...?

» Sat May 12, 2012 8:02 pm

Doesn't it stop when it hits our eyes...?

No.

Some of it gets reflected; most of it gets absorbed by light-sensitive molecules, and destroyed in the process.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:29 am

Actually now that I think of it there should be a perfect conservation of momentum in that change of direction too. The unstoppable force will lose no energy to the unmovable object, since it shouldn't absorb any energy.

Could easily be wrong, since it's been quite some time since my physics, but in order to change direction while maintaining speed, you would need an increase in energy (as a change in direction is acceleration), so the unstoppable force would slow down if it were to bounce off even with a perfect conservation of energy.

*mumbles about remembering something along the lines of instantaneously reversing an object's vector requiring infinite energy*

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:12 pm

Clearly when this happens Batman will dangle the Joker over a precipice.

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:00 am

When an irresistible force Such as you, Meets an old immovable object like me. You can bet as sure as you live, something's gotta give.

When an irrepressible smile such as yours, Warms an old implacable heart such as mine. Don't say no because I insist. Somewhere, somehow, someone's gonna be kissed.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:57 am

I am the immovable object. The unstoppable force has been stopped. I now give you permission to continue with your lives.

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:17 am

What is generating the unstoppable force?