Nice work on getting IMCN out so quickly.

I was thinking more on how to possibly represent all the food stats in the mod in a way that might feel more appropriate to Skyrim's setting. Maybe rather than explicitly saying 'calories', 'protein', etc when looking at a food item, it could (optionally?) say something like:

Calories - Sustaining/Filling
Water - Juicy (unless it's a drink; describing a bottle of water as 'juicy' would be a little odd)
Protein - Hearty
Nutrients - Healthy?
Fat - Fatty/Rich
Alcohol - Alcoholic
Caffeine - Stimulating
Carbohydrates - Dunno... Starchy?
Sugar - Sweet
Appeal - Appealing

Each of those could be roughly quantified by a prefix like 'somewhat', 'moderately', 'very', etc. So a particular food item might be 'very hearty', 'somewhat rich', 'moderately juicy', etc. I don't know how difficult it would be to translate your stats into a message like that, but it seems like the sort of information it would be reasonable for a character in the game world to know/deduce when considering food, and it would maintain the mod's full complexity.

I saw one of the other food/sleep/thirst need mods implement a good system that reduces the crazy amount of food in the world. They made it so a lot of the food around dungeons, etc is "stale" so you'd get sick from eating it. Maybe you could make it so that a lot of the food found in caves, dungeons and other remote locations is spoiled or in very poor condition, so the chance of food poisoning is higher? It'd make resist disease things more important too, because you'd be able to eat worse foods if you had to. Kind of like how Fallout had perks or items dealing with radiation to make it less detrimental to eat the older, less well kept foods you find.

So how does being werewolf change things, in particular werewolves feeding on people? Lets say you are really hungry, change into a werewolf, and then feed on someone. Will that feeding make you not hungry? Will you be hungry when you change back to a human? hmmm can you drink water while a werewolf?

I really like this idea! Please evaluate the request with one supplementing vote added.

If it's optional, sure.

Hey Imp, got some strange things happening with the menus. When I click on them to check my needs status or if I want to adjust anything sometimes it takes ages for the menu to come up or it just doesn't come up at all and others it opens straight away and also when it don't open the icon disappears from my inventory...any ideas?

This sounds brillient. Can't wait to give it a go.

Just a small request:

You've placed some emphasis on Alcohol and Caffiene, but you're leaving out another widely used (albeit sometimes frowned upon) recreational intoxicant that exists in the TES universe: Skooma

I'm sure this addition will bring even more praise to an already fantastic mod.

Besides, if you don't include it soon I'm pretty sure all those jealouse Khajits, who have been watching everyone else get bladdered, will start rioting. That can never be a good thing, they've got claws!

- Hypno

Looking towards the ale,mead,brew and wine being added to the basic mode.

I was thinking if it was possible to add a blessing that lowered your fall damage when you get drunk enough. Call it Drunk man's luck

I'm playing the basic version, and the stats in the food menu don't seem to match those of the conditions window.

http://i.imgur.com/skf2y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/arm73.jpg http://i.imgur.com/tdMHt.jpg

Am I missing something obvious?

Edit: Nevermind, I am. I should be using the vitality item to check my stats, which also shows that part of the food I ate is still being digested.

so far this mod rocks....would like 2 see alcohol added to basic version and somekinda pop up to let you know your hungry,sleepy and thirsty.

Really enjoying this mod, Imp. Greatly enhances the gameplay.

I have selected the option for status messages, which I thought would result in notification if the PC's hunger/thirst/etc. levels get too low. However, the only way to determine this is to check inside the "IMCN Conditions" menu.

Am I supposed to be seeing messages pop up to warn me about the conditions? Or is this something you were planning to implement at a later time?

Hey Imp, just wanted to let you know I am enjoying your mod in more ways than one.

The primary needs really help to increase immersion during gameplay, but that's not even the most I'm getting out of the mod.

Your scripts have also been an invaluable help for me, as studying the inner workings of the mod has been an excellent way for me to learn some more about Papyrus. That alone makes this mod worth its weight in gold for me.

Thank you for all your work, and best of luck to your future projects.

A lot of those sound good, especially "hearty" for protein. Maybe "nourishing" for nutrients? I can also leave out a lot of that extra info for now - at the moment carbs, sugar, and fat are just dummy stats, calories are entered directly rather than being calculated from them, so I wouldn't need to really tell the player about them. That may change in the future though if I can figure out a good way to implement glycemic index.


I'm trying to avoid editing cells to prevent compatibility issues and to leave that sort of thing up to people's personal taste. It would be nice if I could somehow tweak an existing food via script to dynamically increase its chance of causing food poisoning without having to create a half dozen different versions of each food. Maybe its something SKSE will be able to help with in the future.


At the moment vampirism is supported but werewolves and cannibals are not - they just do whatever they do in the vanilla game. I do plan on adding support soon though. I'm guessing that at the moment you can't drink water when in werewolf form, but I haven't tested it out.


It could have something to do with threading, that's something a little new to this engine and it might be responsible for stuff like that. I reworked the main body of the scripting to avoid threading issues, but with the menus its tougher since that's where everything interconnects. I'll see if I can make any improvements though.


I'm staying away from potions for the moment but I do plan to treat skooma like alcohol and caffeine eventually.


That'd be interesting, but I think fall damage is controlled by a gamesetting, which means I'll need SKSE to tweak it.


That part got a little sloppy, partly because I'm limited to 9 numbers per message box. I thought the combination of digested and digesting food would be of more use to you in the "eating" menu than just the digested number, so I combined them there. They're listed separately in the Vitality menu since there's room, and in the Conditions menus only the digested number is shown, since that's the only number the penalty or bonus is based on.


Those are both on the list for the next update.


Sorry, I had planned on including all that in the first release of the mod but dropped it in order to release a little sooner. Status updates are one of the most frequent requests though so that's the first thing I'm working on.


Thanks, I usually try to help out in the CK forums when I can, though I've sort of just been focusing on getting this released recently. Glad to hear I'm still being of some help.

It's not really important, but if it's possible would you mind adding a feature so we can close the message boxes when we press tab?

or maybe make the key configureable

I am of the mind "only ask for help if you are well and truly lost." I find it helps me learn quicker by looking at actual examples and figuring out what to do based on what I see there, as it doesn't just provide clues, it also allows me to study the language, figure out exactly what I am telling the compiler, and how to say it.

Does listening to a bard raise Morale?

The way the ShowMenu function works, it pauses your script while it waits for the user to press a button, so even with SKSE keystroke monitoring functions I don't think I'd be able to let you navigate via keyboard. It might be something the SkyUI team could add in as a general UI improvement though.


Not at the moment, but that's a good idea. Right now it's just food, but there are a lot of things I'd like to tie into it - being too cold, too tired, too full, getting hurt often in battle, sleeping in a fully upgraded player home vs. outdoors, maybe even seeing some of the more beautiful areas (tie it into whatever triggers companions to say their "wow, look at that" lines.)

...Sleeping with your wife?

Also decrease in morale for staying apart too long maybe? <.<

Yeah, that was in the plans for the New Vegas version, but Skyrim doesn't really have six built into it the way that game did, so I'll either have to add it (which seems a little outside the scope of the mod) or wait for something I can make a compatibility patch for.

Hi Imp, thoroughly enjoying the mod. Was most looking forward to a 'needs' mod and this is brilliant. One question though; I'm having trouble staying hydrated, and water offers the best solution but there seems to be a distinct lack of it in Skyrim. Have you got any plans to include some kind of canteen that you can refill from water sources? I know something similar existed for Oblivion. I know alcohol rehydrates but I'd prefer not to become an alcoholic!

You can already fill up empty wine bottles with water, it's just that there aren't that many usuable water sources (one that I recently discovered is the pool next to the Ragged Flagon in Riften).

There's also a spring in Bleak Falls Barrow.

Xodarap had mentioned the idea for his XSO project of adding in something akin to morale... to be based around the idea of needing to raise it by reading one of the books in game or staying in an inn common room to be among people. I thought the idea was brilliant but it appears he has disappeared from modding for the time being. Is it possible you'd be interested in adding in such gameplay? I love making those areas of the game become not just filler but necessary to a certain extent. Sitting down and reading through one of the books actually offers me an in game incentive as it raises my characters morale or the same for sitting in an inn and listening to one of the bard's songs (as someone mentioned above).

Loving the mod, btw... I was chomping at the bit to see it released.

This is what imp said about Bards (and by extension common rooms)