I agree: the DLC I'd most like to see would be a massively expanded CW quest line. Lots of different ways to do lots of different things.

If anyone is interestedhttp://www.mediafire.com/?21eahkp6drqb1cjto bad we never was given the chance to dethrone Elisif.

You'd honestly prefer Erikur to Elisif?

This. ^

Erikur's an ass and I don't care if he's the biggest Stormcloak supporter or even if he were Ulfric's brother I can't stand him. I just looked him up and it seems he's not essential so I may kill him - I assumed he was essential because of his role in a questline.

Did you listen to the clip? Ulfric is railing about Jarl Erikur being addicted to imperial coin. It's obviously an outcome of whatever that Potema quest was that ended up with Elisif dead.

And, about that clip... Always love more Vladimir Kulich voiceporm.

Yes I would prefer Erikur over Elisif any day of the week.

Have you spoken to http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g322/Raidensama/Skyrim/TESV2012-04-2015-44-18-79.jpg? During the season unending she didn't impress me at all. Having General Tullis interrupt her because she got out of line was not professional nor is it appropriate for a Jarl. She is very inexperience nor have the skills to lead a region. As what Ulfric stormcloaks said Elisif is nothing more than the empire's pet jarl.... Letting General Tullis control Solitude while her inexperience of leading increases.

I did. But the poster said it was too bad we weren't able to given the opportunity to get rid of Elisif and put Erikur in charge. To me that suggests he thinks Erikur is preferable to Elisif, something I can't fathom.

Ah, I see. I don't consider Erikur preferable. Elisif is dumb, but not corrupt. I'd rather have someone you can easily manipulate than someone who can be bought by the highest bidder and also has ties to the Thieves' Guild.

Actually, her outburst is one of my favorite moments in the game. It's her defying all the people who think she's just a puppet. She's doing the same thing you Stormcloaks want: For the people of Skyrim to stand up for themselves and refuse to let the Empire sell them out. She's trying to stop Tullius from just handing over Markarth to Ulfric for the sake of convenience. Ulfric is behaving exactly like the Thalmor in Season Unending: Demanding things and threatening them with war if they refuse. The only difference is he's threatening his own people with war if they don't give in to his demands, and the fact that Alduin, the World-Eater is attacking Skyrim. He's actually refusing to halt his killing of his kinsmen unless they cede him territory in the face of Armageddon.

General Tullius isn't controlling Solitude. He's commanding the Imperial Legion in Skyrim. You know, his job? Go into Castle Dour, and you'll never once hear him talking about any of the day to day management of Solitude or any other part of the Hold. Instead, he's talking about the rebellion. Elisif and her court are taking care of the business in Solitude and the rest of the Hold, as is their responsibility. Ulfric's responsible for managing Eastmarch's day to day goigns on, but if you go into the Palace of the Kings, you never hear him talk about what's going on in his city. Instead, he just talks about his rebellion and invading Whiterun.

Elisif isn't dumb, she's young and inexperienced! Isn't Elisif wise just on the fact she has advisors and trusts in them? All you have to do is look at Siddgeir to think what Elisif would be like without any help.


I'm glad Erikur never becomes Jarl anyways. He's a svckup to the Thalmor. Even Rikke and Tullius don't like them.

Elisif is hardly dumb. She's young, inexperienced, recently widowed and now has a badly divided province on her hands. I see plenty of evidence of her struggling and relying overmuch on Falk Firebeard. I see no evidence of her being dumb.

On the plus side, I definitely agree with you that she's preferable to Erikur. Erikur's a twit of the highest order, and about as corrupt as they come. He's also pro-Thalmor IIRC...seem to recall him saying something like that to me at some point, anyway.

Yep. Pure of heart and willing to learn beats experienced, but corrupt any day.

She wants to send two legions out to investigate rumors of noises at a cave. You could hear the facepalms in the room, from her own court.

No, she just objects to being at the same table with Ulfric. It's an understandable personal reaction and similar to Ulfric's reaction at Elenwen being there. It has nothing to do with policy, and she backs down immediately when Tullius pats her on the head and tells her to shut up.

Please, Elisif's own household and everyone in Solitude knows that Elisif is just a figurehead. She expresses no opinions on anything of substance. She's not completely spineless, because it takes some guts to stay in Skyrim after what happened to Torygg, but basically her chair is just empty.

That's inexperience, not stupidity.

Her reaction was justified though. Firebeard didn't even want to send anybody at all.

It's common sense. If there's a report of suspicious activity, you send a patrol, not a freaking army. I think it might have even been three legions.

IIRC, the messenger made it sound urgent. Besides, surely Elisif, a resident of Solitude, would have heard of Wolf Skull Cave and it's dark history? Sure the amount of soldiers was probably extraordinary for the case, but that still puts her higher than lame ol' Ulfric who won't send anybody to an Argonian or Dunmer in distress.

Common sense is to send some troops to check the situation out, yes. Inexperience is not knowing how many troops to send. The fact that she overreacted to the situation shows her inexperience, particularly in military/sentry matters, and does not equate to stupidity.

That just turns it from fail to clusterfail. If Elisif had then argued with him that they at least need to send someone, I maybe could overlook the massive brain fart. As it is...

If there's some hitherto unnoticed sign of brainwave activity, I'm all ears to hear it. I hate seeing a Nord woman portrayed as so pathetic, and prefer to face competent antagonists. Tullius is well written in that way.

Firebeard says they WILL send someone though. Elisif has no reason to think he's lying to her.

I might be misremembering, but I think he says it's probably nothing and he only decides to send the PC when you bring it up with him.

He and Sybil say a more tempered response would be better, and he tells the guy that they'll send a small patrol out to investigate. It's only when you talk to him in private that he mentions that he was planning on blowing it off, but he's willing to send you if you're offering.

Ah, I see. I stand corrected.

I have to say, I agree completely. Elisef is young and inexperianced, and yes a little bit foolish if only because of those two things, and is being used as a puppet. Thats not to say she could not grow into the role, but it certainly isn't happening while Tullius has her by the ponytail.

Really, the more I play the game, the more I find it easier to overlook Ulfric and the Stromcloaks faults. Initially I supported the Empire because of nostalga and the 'unified front' theory. Then I was sitting on the fence. Now, i'm really seeing an independant Skyrim, allied with Hammerfell and the remaining Emipire forces as standing a better chance - and not having so much corruption on the home front either. Plus, despite having a semi-famous VO, Tullius doesn't hold a candle to Ulfric in sheer charisma, interesting characterization, and depth.