Word.

But Tullius is *intended* to be very dry, with Ulfric's effusive emotion contrasting.

Okay? Personally that doesn't really change things for me any. I'm just stating I like Ulfric more as a character, i'm not saying he's the reason I choose the Stormcloaks, though of course it helps from a roleplaying perspective. Thing is, Ulfric can be pretty dry himself at times - generally when its appropriate. He has range in his emotions and reactions. It actually shows what a good job Ulfric's VO did, because I really dislike 'the Governator' and Ulfric's voice reminds me of his at times. Yet, somehow I still really like the character, despite this bias. In contrast - I want to gag most of the town guards, because they sound even more like him and only spew stupid comments.

Tullius seems to just seems bland. He only breaks out of his 'stressed and frustrated' tone a couple of times, and thats when he's berating someone or yelling. I found the same sometimes when he played Colonel Tigh, but generally he was pretty awesome in that role and did emote more. I think it is simply that he isn't a big game fan and phoned it in somewhat. That may not be fair though; I just never felt his character, even as a stern General. Maybe it was the sound room they used.

I also feel Galmar(sp?) while not someone I would want to share a drink with is more interesting than the Legate. Her entire character seems to be 'A typical Nord that supports the Empire, and is also a covert Talos worshipper'. The conversations between Galmar and Ulfric are facinating, whereas those between Tullius and the Legate just didn't do anythign for me other than give me a general idea of how things are going and where i'm going next.

Of course these are just personal opinions. Either the majority or vocal-minority dislike Ulfric and the Stormcloaks, and generally go Empire in polls and opinion threads. It doesn't really matter to me who likes who, just sharing my opinions. I'd only care if their popularity had some bearing on future content. Its not like we will see these characters again in the next TES, though they will likely be mentioned, and its unlikely they will be even prominent in the DLC since they can die early on.

I'm of the opinion that more funding went to the Stormcloak path of the Civil war anyway, while the Empire got the guy from BSG and nostalga as a draw. There is just more to the Stormcloak quests, short as the civil war is.


Edit: spelling and adding a few points.

OMG it's like we were separated at birth.

I agree totally, having done both sides I was terribly disappointed by the Imperial playthrough. I really hoped and expected that there would be something to make that feel worthwhile from the "fun and interesting" perspective, but... no.

Ulfric has a way of making you feel valued and appreciated, that your allegiance means something to him. (Even outside the CW quest... compare for instance the differences in dialogue and attitude between when he makes you a Thane, and any other Jarl does it. He also doesn't stoop to calling the rest of his subjects "common rabble," which even Balgruuf does.)

With the Imperials... meh.

I always wondered why the dragons behaved like such [censored] in certain areas. Very insightful.

Beth may add in more quests to the civil which involves the thalmor being caught kidnapping people?Who knows

Which actually turns out to be a bunch of necromancers trying to summon Potema. She's not that dumb after all, now is she?

Honestly though, who could have seen that coming? Falk just assumes it's nothing but since you volunteer to check it out he's like "lolkthx."

Heh, even a broken clock...

I'd be more of an Ulfric fan if he wasn't such a power hungry baby/bully. Tullius is more tame character wise, but that's why I don't have anything against him.

I honestly never got that from Ulfric, personally. He's hardly the the reluctant ruler but I never saw him as power hungry or a bully so much as he believes that Skyrim needs a High King like him. I tend to agree.

Tullius I have no strong feelings about either way, and thats actually a problem for me.

How exactly is Ulfric considered a power hungry bully? Hes fed up with the empire not doing a damn thing, and how they essentially surrendered to the Thalmor by signing away the rights of Nords to freely worship Talos in their own land? After the empire signed the WGC they've opened an invitation to the Thalmor to start committing genocide against the nords for worshiping talos. Ulfric wants skyrim to have her independence; To be free from the grasp of the empire.

No person could ever possibly want the throne if they weren't a power hungry egomaniac. Wanting to not have to worry about death squads taking you away in the night is a sure sign of an irrational and outrageous state of mind.

/imperiallogic

That's kinda the definition of power-hungry. The whole point is that neither side is entirely right, and neither leader a saint or a demon. But Ulfric is a racist chancer who wants the crown for himself a lot more than he wants it for Skyrim - or, like many such people, he is convinced that what is good for him is good for Skyrim. Either way killing him is fun.

And where did you get this information from?

The same place everyone does, the 2 drunk ex stormcloaks and also that ulfric dosent throw money at civians that dont pay taxes and are under their own responsibility.

To me the jarl in solitude is a figurehead, but its not tullius ruling, its her advisors which ars the rulers. Ever wonder why she was spared but her advisors were replaced? Because the were the true rulers in solitude. Theres limits on how much leeway we can give her for being gullible and a pushover. I mean is she even following up and seeing if her advisors are going thru with what shes says? An inexperienced ruler can in some cases worse than a knowledgeable but corrupt one.

But even though I think shes a pansey, I do give her leeway on the sole fact that she just recently got thrown into the job. Even with that, I still think shes easily replaceable.

I'm beginning to wish they'd never put those two in the game, since it's become quite clear that many people are hearing their comments and automatically extrapolating that the entire Stormcloak faction therefore must be like that, despite the complete lack of evidence supporting that assumption. The comments by the Dunmer get similar treatment, while conveniently ignoring the fact that they basically isolated themselves by refusing to help with the war effort.

Yep. If the drunks told the Ulfric haters something they didn't like they would discount them as being drunks, but since it's something they want to hear they point to them and say, "See? I told you so.".

Actually if you think you are entitled to rule an entire continent, you're a beneficent bringer of peace and enlightenment. If you want to rule one portion of it, you're a power-mad warmonger.

/forumlogic

I can see why that was cut.

Sigh almight talos aka well one of them was Tiber septim. He was one of the best rulers in the game but was he power hungry? Ow hell yes! because he was power hungry he didnt do the job right? Nope. Im sorry I have yet to meet many people that were as big of douches as Tiber was. I mean he was a murderer, backstabber, advltorer, extorter, and many others. Hell he had the equivelent of a tes atom bomb which he was gonna use on summerset isles. The man would go to any lengths to optain what he wanted and in the end if we didnt have the power hungry man who was so awesome he became a aedra no sarcasm, I like tiber, we wouldnt have the what used go be the almight empire. I dont see how just being power hungry is a bad thing especially when hes doing what he said he was gonna do. Take skyrim from the empire, reinstate the old traditions, prepare defenses against other counyrys, talos worship safe to do, and take the fight to the thalmor.

Elisif is nothing more than the empire's favorite pet Jarl. The only reason why she became a Jarl in the first place is because her husband was the king of skyrim and the Jarl of Solitude. It was more like an inheritance than anything else. She has absolutely no experience to rule. Is sad to say that even http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g322/Raidensama/Skyrim/TESV2012-04-2015-44-18-79.jpg as a Jarl.

Although Erikur is not my favorite character in Skyrim I respect him because hes a successful businessman. In high politics being a successful businessman is one positives for being a successful Jarl in a big city like Solitude. You need the business skill to run city.... and Elisif does not. The only thing shes does well is to spread fear (If sided with the stormcloaks) by saying that people will starve and go broke in the hands of Ulfric.

Yes, because her chef is clearly such an important figure whose word is well respected by peasant and patrician alike. I have no doubt that she is well versed in Skyrim's political landscape and I am impressed by her clearly profound grasp of leadership. A very eye-opening subject, to say the least. I am in awe.
What a novel idea! Let's get rid of the newly annointed Jarl who so far has kept Solitude stable and safe for a 'businessman' who spends far too much time feathering his own nest. I would sooner put my life in the hands of a man who profits from this conflict than a widow who is coming to grips with her newfound position. Heck, Erikur's house is protected by the Thieves Guild, so he must be a trustworthy guy.

Erikur would become Solitude's Maven if he were to become Jarl, mark my words.

...what?

No disrespect, but i'm thinking we may have to agree to disagree there.

I just tried to google the term and get an exact definiton, but that turned out to be pretty tough. The closest I could find was just a definition for hungry by itself. [3 [color=rgb(128,0,64)]postpositive; foll by: for [/color]having a craving, desire, or need (for)]. Does Ulfric crave power? Desire it? Need it? Yes. I suppose so. So in that respect he may be 'hungry' for power or a steak. Yet, the term is being twisted and thrown around in a different manner from this simple term. There are implications of racism, selfishness, greed and so forth as you so wonderfully (and in such an unbiased manner too) display in your post.

Ulfric wants to make Skyrim stronger, return it to its former glory, and is a nationalist. He desires power not so he can throw it around and make his life better at the expense of his people; he needs it to make Skyrim what it once was, to eject the Thalmor death squads, to reinstate the deity holding the world together, and stop corruption amongst the Jarls whoa re accepting Imperial gold (i.e. hush-money or bribes).

So, i'll concede that Ulfric is power-hungry going by an unbiased definition. Because if there was something 'wrong' with it then every person with a hint of ambition or who wanted to make a difference on the planet should be opposed. What I protest to, then, is the baggage people attach to it and turn it into a dirty term. Also that if we go by this definition that the Empire isn't by magnitudes a better example of it. They want EVERY province, and their rulers to bend knee. If he didn't want to rule and make Skyrim a stronger province that would stand by itself, return to the old ways, then there would be no Stormcloaks. Maybe a rebellion, but smaller and less focused.

I have no idea why I bothered with this post, since finishing yours with 'its fun to kill him' shows you are hardly likely to see where I am coming from. Also after all the posts before yours noting that nationalism =/= racism is not true, and that Ulfric is nothing of the sort, the fac that you throw around the term still and call him selffish... I've been trolled haven't I? Ah well, its fun anyway.

He already is http://steamcommunity.com/id/Cecilff2/screenshot/578954588097450640