I read something that made me sad so now only lockpicking will get you into chest. The open lock spells have been removed from the game. Does this make any other mages a little sad

chameleon and unlocking spells are now out of the game!

Where did u read this?

I like it.

What? So no "open lock" spells. This is bull; time to put my Alteration perks into other things.

Source please? I find this hard to believe, as Open Lock is a staple to Alteration magic.

Good news. Why make a single spell effect make a skill useless? Don't let the door (opened with a lockpick) hit you in the butt on your way out, 'open lock' effect!

Some spells made the game just too easy..
Open and chameleon were those spells..

Btw, there is a tower sign with open expert and chameleon dragon shout..

I'm ok with that, it makes thieves more viable

I personally never liked the open lock spell. If for no other reason it took some of the fun of escaping jails. Having said that, I doubt that it is true.

Wait you're not saying all chests will be locked are you? Or just that the only way to unlock something that is locked is by picking it?

How will this force people to get lockpicking perks? Why waste perks when you can save right before you pick a lock. If you break too many then you load. Whoop-D-Fricken-Doo

Not everyone thinks as logically as you do.

I always thought it might make more sense to have most chests "mechanically" locked (and some mechanically trapped), requiring lockpicks (and other tools for disarming traps), but some chests/doors/etc magically sealed, which could be opened with magic. I mean, in a world of magic, it seems not unreasonable that mages would have developed their own spells/wards for sealing and trapping chests, doors, etc. Sometimes maybe you'd even encounter a chest which is both locked and sealed.

That said, I really think people get too worried about one skill making another skill 'useless'. The point is, or at least has been historically with Elder Scrolls games, that there's usually more than one way to accomplish things. You could play a skilled thief and skip the magic for opening locks or casting invisibility on yourself, saving yourself two skills you don't have to train up, training up two other skills instead. You could train up all the skills if you wanted.

Personally, I kind of hope the Elder Scrolls doesn't give up that flexibility. I always found lockpicking in Oblivion to be very annoying, so I was glad I had another option. I like that Elder Scrolls games give you lots of options and choices and you can do basically whatever you want with your character.

Oh, by the way, will there still be keys? I would guess that a lot of chests would have keys somewhere in the dungeon (either hidden, or in an enemy/npc inventory), as per usual with Elder Scrolls games?

You can open locks with The Tower Standing Stone as well (expert level and below).

Some people enjoy playing the hard way instead of cheating.

Wow, forcing everyone to play the lockpick game. I wouldn't have that big of a deal with it except for the fact that the mini-game uses MY skills and not the skills of my highly trained thief in game.

Personally I would like to have Alteration for mages, Lockpicking for rogues and Lock Bash for warriors.

Forcing lockpicking. I just don't believe it. Now I have to PERSONALLY get good at a mini-game that my in game CHARACTER plays. How stupid is that?

hmmm I started a topic a while ago and people mostly have the perception that it isn't cheating.

If you think having an open spell makes it too easy dont [censored]in use it. Give the mages their spells and let the thieves play with their picks. Everyone ends up happy.

What about us warrior types? We get nothing! (Case and point, you can't always get what you want).

Just because most people think that way doesn't mean it's like that. Anyway warriors and wizards who don't spec into security don't have a reason to whine, since they can make tons of money enchanting and/or crafting gear and brewing potions and selling it to NPC's. From balance viewpoint it's the best solution even not the most logical.

Wow! I'm glad I already reworked my build to add lockpicking instead of alteration. I just felt like waiting until I had 50 alteration to open lvl 50 locks would be a pain. I'm pissed I'm gonna miss out on paralyze though. I really wish it stayed in illusion. Now that I think of it. Did they take invisibility out of illusion? I haven't heard anything about I invisibility yet...