Is lycantropy inherently incompatible with Porphyric Hemophi

Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:15 am

Not true. Why do people keep saying this? You cannot catch another disease AFTER you incubate (after you transform and acquire the immunity). Unless of course there are weakness to disease spells and you can somehow get the effect on yourself. I did this frequently over many playthroughs in Oblivion, having porphyric hemophilia and catching another disease from a rat or zombie. None of those were lycanthropy, but the point is the same. You CAN catch another disease while you have the genesis disease before times up and you become a vampire. And every time I did, when I became a vampire without curing (didn't want the cure to wipe the vampire disease out too) I still had the non-vampire disease I caught before getting immunity.

All that's in question is whether they decided arbitrarily that this time, they would change that and unless a reviewer of a source of "questionable legality" specifically attempts it to see and reports on the result, all we have is speculation until next week. But at least in both previous games, their "immunity" was really only a percentage chance to block new diseases after you incubated. One you could lower and catch diseases even after becoming a vampire.
What you are describing is a game-play mechanic and quite possibly a glitch. Yes, in previous games you were able to 'catch' diseases after becoming a Vampire or Werebeast through an unintended mechanic but what should stand out is that you WERE NOT able to become a hybrid. This was intended because they don't exist. This would not even be plausible in lore because Vampires are undead. A Vampire could use magic to lower their "resistance to disease" but they are still dead, there will be no disease. A Werebeast could do the same thing and they are alive and there are two issues with this. 1. Vampirism only affects the human(man/elf) and beast races and Werebeast are technically something completely different, just as animals cannot become Vampires. 2. If they did in fact die as a result of the disease the would rise as a Vampire not a hybrid. As a now undead Vampire there would be no more transformations.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:39 pm

To people saying being a werewolf and a vampire means you'd always be afflicted somehow because you'd be a werewolf at night and vampires get hurt in the sunlight, well in the werewolf gameplay video you clearly see they player changing in the daylight. This leads me to believe that lycanthropy is activated rather than afflicted. And more importantly, no, there wouldn't be any issues with never being able to have a normal game if you were both a wolf and a vamp.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:53 pm

To people saying being a werewolf and a vampire means you'd always be afflicted somehow because you'd be a werewolf at night and vampires get hurt in the sunlight, well in the werewolf gameplay video you clearly see they player changing in the daylight. This leads me to believe that lycanthropy is activated rather than afflicted. And more importantly, no, there wouldn't be any issues with never being able to have a normal game if you were both a wolf and a vamp.
You have the power to transform at any time(?) but there may be no choice during the full moons(or at night period) as with previous TES games.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:10 am

Not true. Why do people keep saying this? You cannot catch another disease AFTER you incubate (after you transform and acquire the immunity). Unless of course there are weakness to disease spells and you can somehow get the effect on yourself. I did this frequently over many playthroughs in Oblivion, having porphyric hemophilia and catching another disease from a rat or zombie. None of those were lycanthropy, but the point is the same. You CAN catch another disease while you have the genesis disease before times up and you become a vampire. And every time I did, when I became a vampire without curing (didn't want the cure to wipe the vampire disease out too) I still had the non-vampire disease I caught before getting immunity.

All that's in question is whether they decided arbitrarily that this time, they would change that and unless a reviewer of a source of "questionable legality" specifically attempts it to see and reports on the result, all we have is speculation until next week. But at least in both previous games, their "immunity" was really only a percentage chance to block new diseases after you incubated. One you could lower and catch diseases even after becoming a vampire.
Some of what you say is due to a glitch. Vamps and lycans aren't suppose to catch anything after they've made the change.

Your also confusing Daedra magic with a normal disease. What I mean by that is porphyric hemophilia is one thing. Vampirism is another beast entirely.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:21 pm

You have the power to transform at any time(?) but there may be no choice during the full moons(or at night period) as with previous TES games.

Whoever said it had to work the same way throughout all the games?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:56 pm

you could turn out like that dude in underworld :D werevampire!
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:35 am

In the old Word of Darkness, vampiric werewolves were abominations that were hunted down by every single group in the game, day and night. Highly paranoid, schizophrenic insomniacs.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:36 pm

I doubt it.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:09 pm

Whoever said it had to work the same way throughout all the games?
There has to be downsides man. Transforming at the full moon is part of the lore.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:54 pm

I have seen all 700+ episodes of the Dragonball Z franchise and there is not one single vampire or werewolf.

The closest thing to a Were anything,is the Great Ape transformation.

Normally I'd hop on the bandwagon and call you a troll,but obviously your not,your just,well,wrong.

xD



Off-Topic but


Wasn't Garlic Jr. a Vampire?
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:07 am

The question is pretty much entirely in the title...

Now that we know the player can be a Vampire and a Werewolf, it's fun to ponder whereas these states are incompatible with one another or not.

Thoughts?

I like the idea of being a poweful hybrid, maybe if you geth both you get extra abilities? That would be preatty cool.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:40 am

Not so hard to imagine a fluffy were-bat, is it? :P
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:02 am

Also, why are people not considering that a vampire-werewolf hybrid would not create a new kind of transformation altogether like the guy from Underworld rather than simply being a vampire who turns into a werewolf?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:50 pm

In regards to the not being able to go out during the daytime due to vampirism, what if there is a spell or enchantment that allows vampires to for a short time?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:35 am

*Reads the posts in this thread*

Have I ever told you guys how much I love the members of this forum? Trololololo- at any rate; I do not support this being a possibility. I mean...making them compatible would be
1) a pain in the neck (trololol),
2) confusing as hell,
3) just plain unnecessary.

I mean, we have werewolves. That's one giant feat in itself. Imagine, from the developer's point of view, dealing with the possibility of hybrids. Howard, Carofano, and Nesmith would be simultaneously frothing at the mouth. Or laughing giddily. Not sure.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:50 pm

I would guess that getting either one makes you immune to disease, thus preventing the contraction of the other. No idea about the ring for becoming a werewolf though
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:53 am

I would guess that getting either one makes you immune to disease, thus preventing the contraction of the other. No idea about the ring for becoming a werewolf though

If the system preventing hybrid was truly solely based on this, you bet there WILL be people trying to get hit at the exact same time by a Vampire and a Wolf, hoping both diseases kick in before the script has time to add the immunity ;)
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:55 pm

Also, why are people not considering that a vampire-werewolf hybrid would not create a new kind of transformation altogether like the guy from Underworld rather than simply being a vampire who turns into a werewolf?
It would not create a new hybrid because it's not about genetics or normal viruses. It's about Daedra magic. Having one condition makes you immune to all others. Any other disease catching that happened ingame in Oblivion was due to a glitch. Nothing more.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:18 pm

I hope not since it would be terrible.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:03 am

I hope not since it would be terrible.

Best argument I've seen in this thread so far.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:49 pm

Best argument I've seen in this thread so far.
LOL :clap:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:55 am

I guess it really is going to be one of those wait and see type things. But I think it bears mentioning, the lore does NOT say a vampire cannot also be a werewolf. Nowhere does it say this. There is exactly one thing alone that lore has to say about both beings, and that is that both are supposed to be 100% immune to disease. Nothing else. It does NOT say that when an infected individual finally becomes a vampire or a werewolf that they will be cured of any disease they already had at that time.
Immunity to disease, if we're being at all logical, means you are immune to all disease, introduced or already existing. If you have a cold and your immune sysem magically gains the ability to easily eliminate the cold virus (thus protect you from contracting it in future), it will also eliminate the existing cold virus.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:00 pm

Haven't read all posts, but someone said that Lycanthropy carries with it a 100% resistance to disease perk. My guess is vampirism does too.

Why anyone would want to be an Oblivion style vampire in such a vastly superior game in every other respect is beyond me. I can't wait to stop playing Oblivion. I don't want to be playing Skyrim and RP'ing that I'm playing a vampire in Oblivion.

Stupid Oblivion vampires! I'm going to hunt them all down as a werewolf. I am Lucian.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:33 pm

Off-Topic but


Wasn't Garlic Jr. a Vampire?

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Garlic_Jr. was a Makyan, from the Makyo Star.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:13 pm

I know Morrowind allowed you to get both, but it was kinda buggy and probably not intended. You would have a werewolf body with a vampire head. :P
Thats a bit ridiculous in my opinion. I have never tried it so I would not know.
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