Mass Effect Thread #61 : Othor Games

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:08 pm

I know that it's basically a hitscan weapon, but it isn't instant, it does travel at a speed that can be measured. Not that it matters, as in-game it may as well be.

I'm speaking as if it were an actual thing. Lore-wise it would have a delay.

I've often wondered exactly how the Mako would get back up into the Normandy after a mission. Can it fly? Does the Normandy have a tractor beam? At least with the Hammer head we know that, yes, it can, in fact, fly. Not that you ever see it doing so outside of a loading screen.

Speaking of which, is it just me or does ME3 have shorter loading screens than ME1 or ME2?

Lore wise it has almost no delay, weapons use mass effect technology, so the projectiles fire at FTL speeds, iirc.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:39 am

So I finally did it.

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I shot Mordin to prevent him curing the Genophage.

War assets are at 2100 of which 700 is Krogan, which I presumably lose sooner or later, but I really hope that I can get back that 700 (and to the maximum which is 3500 I think) without the Krogan.
It was a tough decision especially with the dream sequence afterwards. But I stand with the decision - sacrifices must be made for the greater good.

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You'll lose some of them, but not all. My renegade character (who sabotaged the genophage) ended up with 440 points from Krogan assets (and more than enough total to get any of the normal endings).

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:16 am

Ger...Oh I mean http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/Gerza71/MassEffect32012-03-1617-47-31-03.jpg

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:57 pm

Ger...Oh I mean http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/Gerza71/MassEffect32012-03-1617-47-31-03.jpg

That is a very depressing sight.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:55 am

Lore wise it has almost no delay, weapons use mass effect technology, so the projectiles fire at FTL speeds, iirc.

Not really. They're all basically rail guns/Gauss rifles that use Mass Effect fields to... effect the mass of a projectile, making it lighter and allowing it to go faster, not go FTL as far as I am aware. But I don't even know about that. A lighter projectile is hardly going to have much stopping power.

As for actual FTL in the 'verse... well, if we knew how to do that I hardly think that we'd be playing video games right now.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:51 am

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You'll lose some of them, but not all. My renegade character (who sabotaged the genophage) ended up with 440 points from Krogan assets (and more than enough total to get any of the normal endings).

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Ah, good. The galaxy will be a better place when cutting down the Reapers won't just pave way for another bunch of psychopaths. I wouldn't mind giving the Krogan some concessions - like lost planets - but their numbers should be kept as low as possible as long as they exist. I mean, come on, the Drell in a similar situation but they don't whine and murder all the time so pretty much everyone would be ready to help them. But everyone knows what happens when the Krogan build up. They said it themselves a lot of times and losing Eve diminishes Urdnot's claim even further. Good riddance. Too bad I couldn't convince Mordin, the Wiki said there should be charisma checks but I got none.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:21 am

Ger...Oh I mean http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/Gerza71/MassEffect32012-03-1617-47-31-03.jpg

Jeez... what did you do, intentionally do the worst things possible?

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:11 am

Ger...Oh I mean http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/Gerza71/MassEffect32012-03-1617-47-31-03.jpg

Why is Legion there? :stare:

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:50 pm

Was anybody else on Bioware Social when the "Final Hours" documentary thing dropped?

One moment, everybody was super calm (people had been using theories to say 'the ending wasn't real'). The next, everyone saw that the endings were the real intended endings (allegedly), and dear god, it was like a nuclear bomb had been dropped, but everyone knew exactly who had done it.

It actually got so bad BioWare locked the forums, made a post telling everybody to calm down, then re-opened them.

It was like if, in Skyrim pre-release, Bethesda had posted "you can only play as one pre-determined character, a female Nord named Heddvild, and you can only be a fighter."

I can't find anything on the Final Hours thing. Can you summerise it for me? Not sure why I'm not finding it...

EDIT: Just found stuff on it - sorry. At this point I think speculating is crazy... people are just going so nuts over the end that they're willing to buy anything people are throwing at them. Til I hear someone from Bioware say 'it was the end' I'm not making any judgements...

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:53 am

As for actual FTL in the 'verse... well, if we knew how to do that I hardly think that we'd be playing video games right now.

I would: FTL means going outside, after all. Well, unless I just wanted to travel to the kitchen very quickly.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:01 am

I've just had another thought....bear with me if it's a stupid suggestion....

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I take it there's no chance of the planet the Normandy crashed on being the same one that Shepard crashed on? The jungle area the Normandy ended up on couldn't be on Earth - which is where I assume Shepard can take a 'breath' from the rubble?

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:52 pm

let me put in my 2 cents here
as many i am not happy with the choice of '3' nearly identical endings
but i am unhappier with biowares answers.. i bought all their DLC in the past
i will buy none for ME3
what i like about bethesda GS they really do listen to their fans
remember the original ending to fallout 3? and at the end they did a rap up
of what your actions accomplished in fallout 3
bioware did that with dragon age

now with casey hudson at the helm for ME3.. a lot of things that were in the game orginally and endings
were tossed out by casey for a variety of reasons

those 3 endings are the only endings and no DLC has been planned for a different ending

lol sarcasm on 'it was all a dream'' sarcasm off lol

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:30 pm

now with casey hudson at the helm for ME3.. a lot of things that were in the game orginally and endings
were tossed out by casey for a variety of reasons

those 3 endings are the only endings and no DLC has been planned for a different ending

lol sarcasm on 'it was all a dream'' sarcasm off lol

I'm pretty sure the blame for the ending("s") falls on the writers. Or, writer, in this case, as only one person worked on the ending: Mac Walters.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:00 am

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Ah, good. The galaxy will be a better place when cutting down the Reapers won't just pave way for another bunch of psychopaths. I wouldn't mind giving the Krogan some concessions - like lost planets - but their numbers should be kept as low as possible as long as they exist. I mean, come on, the Drell in a similar situation but they don't whine and murder all the time so pretty much everyone would be ready to help them. But everyone knows what happens when the Krogan build up. They said it themselves a lot of times and losing Eve diminishes Urdnot's claim even further. Good riddance. Too bad I couldn't convince Mordin, the Wiki said there should be charisma checks but I got none.

Problem is, the Krogan will eventually die out going the way that they are.

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IMO Wrex and Eve are charismatic enough to keep the Krogan in line.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:51 am

Also I love this video but it's end spoiler heavy so watch at your own peril... :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&feature=channel

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It has a lot of 'evidence' that the ending is indoctrination. Even if it's not the canon ending....it sure as hell makes more sense than the real one :lol:

And if Bioware didn't consider ANY of the stuff in the vid....well someone's probably kicking themselves for not intentionally including it....

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:16 pm

Why is Legion there? :stare:

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Its the one that we have to kill that reaper at Tali home planet. Let I think back a bit.
Ok here I go. Mass Effect I did not do UNC: Geth Incursions that means I did not give the data to Tali.
ME2: Got Tali first. Then went into that reaper ship where Legion is. Brought Tali and Garrus with me. Brought Legion with me at Tali's loyalty quest. After that brought Tali with me in Legion's loyalty quest. Rewrite data. Afterwards that scene in Normandy with Tali and Legion. I did not get red and blue so I stopped Legion from uploading data. After Tali left I lie for the sake of Legion.
In ME3 after I put that reaper down (which it talked to me) I let Legion upload data to the geth and there is a battle following it. After the battle which the geth won Legion expired and Tali died. After that a big geth prime came up to me and offer service.
Before I done that there is that trippy quest that I have to go through a maze with a gun and shoot streams. I was and still am gutter when Legion die.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:33 am

I don't understand how you people...

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can choose the geth over the guarians. They are software! Even if it is are intelligent and self-aware, they still don't even exist physcially, only the platforms they run on. And remember, "never trust a computer you can't throw trough a window". Can you trow a Geth Dreadnought trough a window? Can you? :stare:

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:02 am

I don't understand how you people...

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can choose the geth over the guarians. They are software! Even if it is are intelligent and self-aware, they still don't even exist physcially, only the platforms they run on. And remember, "never trust a computer you can't throw trough a window". Can you trow a Geth Dreadnought trough a window? Can you? :stare:

I'm with you on this one. I felt bad I couldn't have it both ways due to my choices but there was no way I could

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choose the Geth over the Quarians...I watched the sequence on YouTube and it's bloody heartbreaking....

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:21 am

I'm pretty sure the blame for the ending("s") falls on the writers. Or, writer, in this case, as only one person worked on the ending: Mac Walters.

Hudson harped on about how different the endings were, how every story wold be different, how your choices matter.
He deserves blame too, hell some may consider his words false advertising.

I don't understand how you people...

Spoiler

can choose the geth over the guarians. They are software! Even if it is are intelligent and self-aware, they still don't even exist physcially, only the platforms they run on. And remember, "never trust a computer you can't throw trough a window". Can you trow a Geth Dreadnought trough a window? Can you? :stare:

And ?

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Woop de doo, one is organic. They act more agresively (and stupidly) therefore they are in my eyes, inferior. Would you save a very agressive group, or the less violent, more or less innocent (acting mostly out of defense) one ?

How is a synthetic inteligence, worth less than the organic one ? Our brains are just made differently, and we exit becuase of evoloution. That dosent make us worth more.

Logicly, I would choose to save the less troublesome, more peaceful group.
Emotionaly, I choose the more innocent group.

Why wouldnt I choose them ?

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:36 pm

I don't understand how you people...

Spoiler

can choose the geth over the guarians. They are software! Even if it is are intelligent and self-aware, they still don't even exist physcially, only the platforms they run on. And remember, "never trust a computer you can't throw trough a window". Can you trow a Geth Dreadnought trough a window? Can you? :stare:

LOL. That is not my only play through of ME. In one my other play though in ME2, I gave Legion to Cerberus.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:53 pm

And ?

Spoiler

Woop de doo, one is organic. They act more agresively (and stupidly) therefore they are in my eyes, inferior. Would you save a very agressive group, or the less violent, more or less innocent (acting mostly out of defense) one ?

How is a synthetic inteligence, worth less than the organic one ? Our brains are just made differently, and we exit becuase of evoloution. That dosent make us worth more.

Logicly, I would choose to save the less troublesome, more peaceful group.
Emotionaly, I choose the more innocent group.

Why wouldnt I choose them ?

Well, the game is about stopping giant artificially intelligent machines from destroying advanced organic lifeforms... :whistling:

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Sure the geth are more rational and better in a fight, and they indeed are the victim here, but in the end they are just machinery and software. All of which can be recreated if the need arises.

Then again, that is the underlying theme of the game. Are the artificial creations of the various races the next step of evolution? Should the races that created them die out when their creations become stronger and more intelligent than they are? And that's what endings are about too.

LOL. That is not my only play through of ME. In one my other play though in ME2, I gave Legion to Cerberus.

So did i with this current character, with the full intention of going for the "red" ending

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:46 pm

Well, the game is about stopping giant artificially intelligent machines from destroying advanced organic lifeforms... :whistling:

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Sure the geth are more rational and better in a fight, and they indeed are the victim here, but in the end they are just machinery and software. All of which can be recreated if the need arises.

Then again, that is the underlying theme of the game. Are the artificial creations of the various races the next step of evolution? Should the races that created them die out when their creations become stronger and more intelligent than they are? And that's what endings are about too.

So did i with this current character, with the full intention of going for the "red" ending :wink:

Your brain is pretty much a computer. Mass effect 2 shep died, his body was wrecked. They managed to bring him back, I doubt his brain was unscathed (he lost his helmat) so I assume that needed lots of work to fix. So that implies they know alot about the human body, how to repair/replace parts, and could create them. Much like how scientists now are learning to create things from stem cells.

Would that somehow make humans/organics any less valuable in your eyes, if they could create brains ?

The plot is stupid, so Im just going to ignore the first part. It makes no damn sense.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:29 am

Problem is, the Krogan will eventually die out going the way that they are.

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IMO Wrex and Eve are charismatic enough to keep the Krogan in line.

Yes, but the question is how many others we are letting to go down with them.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:22 am

I don't understand how you people...

Spoiler

can choose the geth over the guarians. They are software! Even if it is are intelligent and self-aware, they still don't even exist physcially, only the platforms they run on. And remember, "never trust a computer you can't throw trough a window". Can you trow a Geth Dreadnought trough a window? Can you? :stare:

I never understood it either? How can you have a synthetic society? Okay, so each Geth is an individual... so what? What are they going to do on a daily basis, they don't reproduce, eat, sleep, have needs, they don't have their own society, government anything. What are these "free" Geth going to do?

I've gone back to playing ME1, for some true nostalgia!

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:57 pm

I've gone back to playing ME1, for some true nostalgia!

It has aged pretty well, still fun to play. But compare ME1 Anderson face with ME3 Anderson face :blink:

Or Geth heads between 1 and 2. And poor Garrus' face was never fixed, it still uses the low resolution texture