Miraak's last words : V - Skyrim

» Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:42 pm

Your soul technically belongs to Nocturnal. I don't think HM can call claim to it.

Mine belongs to Hircine. Buck both Nocturnal and HM.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:02 am

He didn't play you. Boethiah is the prince of deceit, not HM, so that is mere speculation on your part. He wanted the Skaal's knowledge, whatever that may have been. He never promised anything doing the MQ for DB, so there is no way to honestly say that he will or would turn on you. Miraak was obviously the one to abuse the situation and piss off a Daedric Prince.

play you as in use you, not deceit. a pawn in a chess game. what speculation is to be had when it plays out that way?

He knew what Miraak was doing all along, he just let him live and imprisoned him until HM could find a replacement. you. hook line and svcker, you think you're growing ever powerful than before but in essense you're just Mora's (censad)

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:01 am

play you as in use you, not deceit. a pawn in a chess game. what speculation is to be had when it plays out that way?

He knew what Miraak was doing all along, he just let him live and imprisoned him until HM could find a replacement. you. hook line and svcker, you think you're growing ever powerful than before but in essense you're just Mora's (censad)

Be more clear, don't just quote me to correct me. How should I know what you meant? I pulled what I gathered from your post.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:07 am

eh no need to get defensive....I didn't bear any fangs :shrug:

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:24 am

And His Last Words and Mora's In this Dlc

Spoiler

Kind of are horrible, How you magically are Mora's Minion, So now you will truely never go to Sovengarde. Or are very close to not doing so.

Technically, depending on how you play Skyrim... you'll cause quite the Kerfuffle when you die. A bunch of princes will have claim on your soul... which may not even go to any (a)typical afterlife since you have the soul of a Dragon!

Nocturnal, Hircine, HM... a few other princes, I think. One or two of the Divines? Strong argument for Shor to push you to Sovengarde. Gonna be real interesting to be sitting in Limbo while everyone figures out just what to do with the Dovahkiin's soul.

» Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:26 pm

What exactly was Miraak doing that Mora needed to stop?

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:16 am

Spoiler

Mora,Hircine,Nocturnal,Sithis,Molag Baal(maybe) Akatosh,Shor, Ideal Masters ( if you were to be soul trapped) probably missed a couple:P

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:59 am

What exactly was Miraak doing that Mora needed to stop?

Cheating his fate, which was to stay in Apochrypa.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:36 am

Spoiler

Mora,Hircine,Nocturnal,Sithis,Molag Baal(maybe) Akatosh,Shor, Ideal Masters ( if you were to be soul trapped) probably missed a couple:P

Clearly we become a god in the last DLC to clear this up

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:01 am

Clearly we become a god in the last DLC to clear this up :tongue:

Folks, he might just be on to something. he must be silenced

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:46 am

Cheating his fate, which was to stay in Apochrypa.

I mean before he originally 'vanished' from history. I read the book about him being the traitor, and being snatched away at the last second by Mora...why would Mora do such a thing? What purpose did he have for him by imprisoning him in Apocrypha

BTW I can't stop saying Apocrypha. It's the coolest word evar.

edit: nevermind, I'm reading now that Miraak was approached by Mora initially and taught 'Bend Will' is that correct?

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:47 am

I mean before he originally 'vanished' from history. I read the book about him being the traitor, and being snatched away at the last second by Mora...why would Mora do such a thing? What purpose did he have for him by imprisoning him in Apocrypha

BTW I can't stop saying Apocrypha. It's the coolest word evar.

I assume he knew you would rise in power, since he knows everything about the future, past, etc.

He wanted the Skaal's secrets, and knew only you could get them for him. So he allowed Miraak to stay alive until then. My best assumption

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:35 am

Clever...mass of tentacles. Very clever.

» Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:55 pm

Clever...mass of tentacles. Very clever.

Mora has a pathological need to know everything. I cant remember who but an npc mentioned that anything that is kept from makes him even more curious as to what is is, perhaps there is something related to akatosh or Talos that he hopes to glean from a Dragonborn.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:35 am

id like to think he hopes your chest eventually gets the japanese schoolgirl treatment.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:32 am

id like to think he hopes your chest eventually gets the japanese schoolgirl treatment.

EDIT: What ... gender is your char???

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:41 am

EDIT: What ... gender is your char???

what i meant organ impalement.....wait that doesnt make it sound any better. male by the way.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:35 am

what i meant organ impalement.....wait that doesnt make it sound any better. male by the way.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:35 am

Clearly we become a god in the last DLC to clear this up :tongue:

Indeed, it shall be a glorious crusade against the Thalmor for the fate of Mundus, and at the end, I shall take the place of Talos as the God of War!

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:14 am

Technically, depending on how you play Skyrim... you'll cause quite the Kerfuffle when you die. A bunch of princes will have claim on your soul... which may not even go to any (a)typical afterlife since you have the soul of a Dragon!

Nocturnal, Hircine, HM... a few other princes, I think. One or two of the Divines? Strong argument for Shor to push you to Sovengarde. Gonna be real interesting to be sitting in Limbo while everyone figures out just what to do with the Dovahkiin's soul.

Basically. I think Akatosh pretty much gets first dibs.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:18 am

Technically, depending on how you play Skyrim... you'll cause quite the Kerfuffle when you die. A bunch of princes will have claim on your soul... which may not even go to any (a)typical afterlife since you have the soul of a Dragon!

Nocturnal, Hircine, HM... a few other princes, I think. One or two of the Divines? Strong argument for Shor to push you to Sovengarde. Gonna be real interesting to be sitting in Limbo while everyone figures out just what to do with the Dovahkiin's soul.

Durnehviir in the Soul Cairn said something along the lines of a Dragon's soul being even more resilient than it's scaly hide, so even after millennia in there he still wasn't a slave to the Ideal Masters. I'd guess that no matter how many aedra, daedra or miscellaneous wotsits have a claim on the Dragonborn's soul you'll go wherever you please when you die. Unless you're silly/unlucky enough to die in a place like Apocrypha or fall for a scam like Durnehviir did, of course.

» Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:13 pm

Pretty much as Jonny said IMO

BTW Have enyone done Oghma Infinum quest after the DB questline ? I wonder what dialogue with Hermy might be.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:54 am

Nocturnal, Hircine, HM... a few other princes, I think. One or two of the Divines? Strong argument for Shor to push you to Sovengarde. Gonna be real interesting to be sitting in Limbo while everyone figures out just what to do with the Dovahkiin's soul.

Doesn't anyone think that Dovahkhiin will have the choice of wear he wants to go? And imo, by canon he would want to spend the afterlife in either Sovngarde or Apocrypha.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:03 am

HM played you both and won, he got EVERYTHING he wanted.

Not everything. he only gets you if you say you're loyal to him in all the dialogue.

» Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:10 am

Your soul technically belongs to Nocturnal. I don't think HM can call claim to it.

if you do the thieves guild. i don't.