If they model it after Skyrim then they could have a winner, this is probably just hot air however

I thought their target audience was people who liked a strategic and complex RPG experience, but I guess that all changed after DA2. Spiritual sequel to Baldur's Gate, my ass.

Little choice, linear dungeons, scaling, generlly rushed and shallow = winner ?

I think im going to have to look to the past to find actual rpgs from now on. The entire genre, is about choices and building a character. Now devs seem intent on pissing nthat way, becuase its "too complex", or some otherr [censored]. You want it to be "accessible" make a new [censored] IP. You want to mke it less complex. Make [censored] action game. Dont however go dragging down the bar on rpgs, ruining them, and trying to sell me an action game, insisting its an rpg. Dont sell me a bike and insist its a car. It may be a very good bike, but its not a bloody car.

So Obsidian, big huge games (KoA guys iirc)... Who else can I actually trust to sell me an rpg these days ? Becuse bethesd and bioware are out, and dont seem like they will change nytime soon.

Don;t think of DA2 as a separate game, think of it as a $25 (what I paid) add on for DA:O - and using that metric, ti wasn't that bad a deal

Skyrim is far from perfect, there are plenty of things that can be improved. Having said that however it is still pretty damn good and better than what other RPG games are putting out in recent years imo.

In terms of whether DA 3 is more like Skyrim or DA 2 I think I know what most people would prefer

That RPG's of today for you man.


As for Bioware drawing from Skyrim.... can't think of anything but b/romances in an open world for the outcome.

DA3

I hope we get a Tranquil for a companion. I know , I know, already a flat character due to the whole no emotions thing but I could see a pretty cool story arch of your PC trying to reclaim the emotions of your companion from the Fade.

Yeah trend rider. You hugged the console brainless action for DA2, now you embrace the open Skyrim when it's topping Christmas sales chart. That's so intuitive of you.

Well I for one am not going to complain about other RPGs "stealing" the open world concept from TES. There's always been a significant lack of free roaming, open world RPGs. The more the better, I say.

As long as its a good game, who the hell cares whose using whose ideas?

Fallout new vegas ws out last year, it had choice. I could progress through the gme focused on non combat skills, open world, good writing, etc. Skyrim is not some oasis surrounded by crap. lso even if there were just bad rpgs. That dosent make it good. A car the dosent work, is still bd. Its better than cars that explode and kill you when you start them. But its still bad.

Not all of them. A few (very few) devs I still trust to deliver good rpgs.

They may add something else that looks stupid for the "cool" factor. Like the AC inspired omniblade... But yeah, bioware games (havent played the old) seem to lack substance, they have a cliche story, cliche chracters, and then add fanservice. Still it sells, so it wont change. Shame really, greed ruins games, they made money before. But now everything wants CoD numbers.

Can somebody or something please burn down Bioware's HQ already(while it's empty, of course.)?

Defunct developer churning out garbage games.

I don't know what the hell happened. It wasn't even EA.

They've become a toxic force in the gaming industry.

Definitely will be depth in Reckoning and I do agree that Bioware should look at that title too considering that their parent company is the publisher.

A person who isnt blaming E for everything. A rare find on the internet.
Its kinda unrelated. But I just saw another reckoning vid. I didnt realise jsut how much they put into the game. It pays off too. The visuals look like an animated film at some points I saw, just flowed so well. Unlike other games wth that artstyle, kinda reminds me of one time playing alan wake and everything, for a few seconds, just, clicks together to make a moment of awesomeness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARtOCjVTVwM&feature=g-all-lik

Bioware can make DA3 whtever they want TBH. I dont care about them any more. DA2, was horrible (fun to watch the trainwreck though) and mass effect stopped being an rpg, and after reding the ME3 script, I didnt even care about the story. If they want to keep making poor games thats fine. I just wish they wouldnt insist they make rpgs.

God I hate how obvious the edit is with the text colour.

I must be alone in keeping the faith with Bioware, sure DA 2 was diabolical but all companies are allowed one [censored] up. ME 1 & 2 were both good for me and I can't wait for ME 3 if only to see how it ends.

I have faith they will have learnt from the failings of DA 2 and will correct DA 3 to be better

I think it'd be a good thing for DA to be more like Skyrim in the sense that DA will be more open world. The story can be the worst thing ever, but as long as I have an open world to explore and things to do in it, the game will entertain me and get my money. It should be more like Dragon Age in the story and character depth and personalization area, but be more like Skyrim and allow nearly every bit of the world were in to be explored.

I wouldn't mind seeing another NWN game either, though..more like the first one..which is one of my favorites.

Bethesda's own TES systems from the attributes to dialogue is seen as a very bad system. It's funny that Morrowind is seen as a large impact or "real RPG" around here when at launch Morrowind seemed barely classified as a system full of linear quests and attributes only counting towards combat rather than standing on their own and impacting everythingelse done. The lack of depth is why Skyrim functions fine when the attributes are stripped down: Because there was none in the first place.

But I'll glide past that, these topics were talked to death for an entire year fiercely.

It's a fact that after Daggerfall BGS's RPGs were severely lacking and even a few Morrowind devs themselves were disappointed and quit.

However Skyrim does measure back to atleast Morrowind standards and so isn't quite as bad as Oblivion nor Fallout 3. I'd cast FO3 as a better game than Oblivion however OB had more RPG mechanics by a far number and BGS missed the boat in everything about designing and crafting a Fallout game. That they actually employed dungeons in FO is ridiculous among a vast number of other things.

Skyrim matches up to Morrowind though more than not, a few arbitrary dice rolls MW had aside that didn't make it any more of an "Arpeegee" than DA 2.

A higher benchmark of RPG should be placed for BGS to follow than Morrowind. Morrowind's biggest credance at launch was being a shinier Ultima Underworld.

As for Kingdom's of Amalur, it's nothing special. Another action RPG that throws in a bunch of mechanics and suddenly all is forgiven. At present it looks uninspired and full of QTE's. Actually, the number of mechanics matches Skyrim. I guess their both clearly the level of Planescape: Torment, Wasteland, or Fallout suddenly.

Higher benchmarks need to be placed on BGS. They have great world building skills. It's everything else that they quite need a lot of help in.

As for Bioware, being under EA one can guess anything.

I was never impressed by Balder's Gate. I consider the likes of Bioware just feeding the leftovers of Black Isle after they made WRPGs feasible again to jRPGs.

You may like it, but after reading the script. If you expecting a good story, with choices from previous games having impact... The less said the better tbh.

I advise you save your money. I genuinely think its a bad game, I may be bitter about bioware, but they lied to their customers (choices mattering), and well I just dont see anything good about ME3, writing, gameplay, nothing stands out.

You cn have faith in them, hell I heared how horrible Alpha protocol was, tried it and enjoyed it. But story is an issue. it would ruin it, but I advise finding out about the writing, before buying it. Or atleast waiting until a price drop.

Your not alone, I loved Mass Effect 2(haven't played 1) and Dragon Age: Origins is one of my favourite games ever...third actually. They've put out one less then acceptable game(which most people say is terrible only because it followed a game that was as good as Origins) and the majority of the internet now wants to burn their offices to the ground.

Note: The "members reading this topic" bar is back...cool.

Why would you care about jumping in a tactical combat RPG like DA? Do people not understand that DA and TES are two completely different types of games?

Also, OP, your thread title is a wee bit sensationalist, dontcha think? Saying that Skyrim has them thinking about open world designs is nowhere close to "OMG we gunna maek Skyrim too K?" I mean, nobody else on the internet exaggerates or blows things out of proportion. Evar.

Well some people said Diablo 2 was too draconian.

Pretty much how I feel. I have been playing Bioware games since all the way back to BG2. Outside of DA2, I have never been disappointed by their games. They tried to take the changes they made to Mass Effect 2, which, for the most part, made an even better game,(at least in my opinion), and tried to fit them into Dragon Age, but it failed. I am hoping that they have really learned from DA2, that they took the fan's issues into consideration, and sometime next year (preferably later), they release another great title in the Dragon Age series.

The issue I have with the article, however, is that they say they are going to look to Skyrim, an entirely different type of rpg, for inspiration for their next Dragon Age game. I feel they just need to look to their past games, Origins, or even Baldur's Gate, the series that this really builds off of, and use that, combined with the wants of the fans, to get an idea of where to take the series. People had little issue with Origins as a whole. From what I have seen, they just need to give us more of that. Work in some new ideas, obviously, just as any decent sequel would, but give us largely the same experience we had the first time around.

How about making a Dragon Age game for Dragon Age: Origins fans? They failed at making one for Call of Duty fans, and now they want to make one for Skyrim fans...

Good. Bioware has been making the same game with a different graphics pack over, and over, and over, and over. They need to change something, badly.