Unfortunately people kept saying that the install size was fine and had nothing to do with what we just said. Denial much?

Yes and Oblivion had richer quest and a way better magic system just for a start.

Then Morrowind had even better longer quest with an even better magic system but the Game was far uglier than Oblivion without mods of course.

Didn't they work out a more efficient way of compressing the data?

I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment that the game is shallow and fruitless, but lets get facts straight.

An Interviewer called KOTN expansion once. Bethesda practically yelled at him claiming that KOTN is a big DLC but still not something worth calling an expansion. So no, they didn't claim it, journalists did. SI is officially the only expansion OB has.

And AFAIK, Dawnguard is also treated as an big DLC rather than an expansion.


80% of MW quests were on Skyrim Radiant Quest level of qualits: bring A to B and clean a dungeon consisting of two or three rooms.
Only the MQ and FG&TG questlines were something worth talking about.

I agree now we have this because people was blindly defending this game before release and that Bethesda wanted to rush this out the door for their special release.

Thats what they said, but it doesn't change the fact that the game only used HALF the disc space. The whole point of compression is to add more to the disc, which they did not, so if it is "compressed" like they said, they could hve EASILY put twice the amount on the disc.

I was replying to the post sighting Oblivions install size as some form of parallel. Which it isn't.

Like I said, I agree that the game is seriously lacking. Unfortunately the only reason for this is that the developer didn't want to add more to the game.

Forgive me I remember now thanks for refreshing ny mind its been a while. But there are those on here that still claim its an expansion. That might be why its been stuck in my head.

As far as I know Bethesda claimed at least two or three big expansions with some small stuff in between and I will say I hole Dawnguard is not being billed as one of their expansions.

I am fine with the length of Dawnguard. For what it added into my game, the money was well spent.

Well, Dawnguard does seem better than any of OB's DLC (SI not counted as it is an expansion) which is a big plus IMO.
Well, besides maybe the majestic Horse Armor which is THE BEST... but such majestic masterpieces appear once in a lifetime XP

I will give it that excluding Shivering Isles. The lint sized DKC of Oblivion was pathetic.

Oh and overpriced horse armor lol.

I'm starting to notice a trend before with morrowind and oblivion they would push back the release date and work on the game more but now with new vegas and skyrim they seem to rush it. heck new Vegas was rushed like a year and a half and was planned to be alot bigger they were planning to add Colorado

I agree, people really need to play Morrowind again after all these years, the common quests are rather uninspired

hate to tell you guys but this game won game of the year in about a month that is really fantastic so in the end what people say means nothing the sales show it all. 20 hours is an expansion. how many dlcs out there add 10 to 20 hours of gameplay? not many and the ones that do consider thing this size to be an expansion. all you dame cry babies crying this is not an expansion cause I want more time need to shut up I mean really they have been listeni g to us and adding the kind of things we have asked for.

My playthrough of Dawnguard got me 30-40 hours of gameplay. The money i spent was totally worth it

You think GOTY holds any weight these days?

Considering the state the review system is in, I don't.

Also, I don't see what Skyrim being named GOTY has to do with whether or not Dawnguard is a proper expansion pack or just a big DLC.

I hope this thread doesn't derail into the usual "The problem with Skyrim is..." threads...

In terms of what the DLC gives you: I'm pretty happy. I think sometimes expectations can get a little high. Before the release I saw people asking for entire new countries to be added. Some people seemed to want practically a new game. But DLC is standardly going to give you a few more quests, a bit more equipment and maybe some new areas to play in.

It would have been nice to have few more of the gamejam things in perhaps. But when the OP says about the quests being similar and the textures being similar etc. - well, I'm just not sure what you were expecting here. ES quests generally boil down to fetch/kill, if you want to look at it like that.

(As for the thread title, it's obviously nonsense. "No-one" at all complained about the length of DLC before? At all? I somehow doubt that.)

To the people who said morrowind quests were bland, You must be joking!

Morrowind had investigate quests, where you had to find murders in a city/town finding clues and talking to npcs. No dungeon trips. Spy/stalking npc quests. Hunting quests without a damn compass. Info gathering quests. Donation quests where you would go around towns asking for donations for the imperial cult ect.

Morrowinds quests were hell of alot better than skyrims. In skyrim its always go to a dungeon or fetch me 10 of a certain item quests.

Theres no good quaility city/town quests that dont include a dungeon of some sort in skyrim, Im sick of dungeons in skyrim. I want the city/town content that morrowind and oblivion had to come back.

There's no point complaining about it. You've said your piece and we all understand you are not satisfied but there's nothing we can do about it. Bethesda isn't going to change Dawnguard in anyway other than bug fixes, if that. Perhaps future DLC will be better but for now just put up with it. Whining like a self-entitled 5 year old isn't doing anybody any favours.

How is it entitled to complain about something that is crap after you've paid for it on the pretense that its something its not, due to what equates to blatant lies told by the developer during development?

I'd not call that entitled, I'd call that just.

Personally, I'd rather have people speak up about the flaws and faults rather than going "Oh, darn. Maybe next time." How else are developers going to learn that they can't just churn out a lack luster product and expect huge profits?

People voicing their displeasure has certainly helped me make up my mind about this DLC. When it finally comes to the PS3, if there hasn't been significant improvements to it (mostly talking about bug fixes) then I definitely won't be getting it. Paying 20 bucks so Skyrim runs even worse and doesn't come with a cornucopia of new stuff doesn't sound like money well spent to me.

I love how in the dawnguard trailer the dawnguard fort has an updated table with food on it and candles and no cobwebs. Yet in the game, Te table never cleans up an is cluttered with junk and theres cobwebs everywhere in that room, But not on the trailer.

Clearly they have made the forts clean up allready but they removed it from the final version, Why?

Theres nothing in this dlc thats a "must have" imo. Infact vampires are so rare in vanilla skyrim that you wouldnt need the anti vampire items if you didnt install this dlc lol, Quite sad really.

You don't need the anti-vampire stuff WITH the DLC. You can back hand the across the room with conventional weapons...