Your experience does not mirror everyones experience... So.. this is not a valid statement.
However objectively, there is one issue that should have been anticipated.. and that is the one not prevalent on our platform (aka the lag bug on the PS 3).
To be honest this issue was an issue with previous games created on, for the sake of argument, earlier builds of their engine. So yes that one version should have been delayed.. because that was an issue which should have been anticipated. And Bethesda rightfully gets criticized for it by the press and fans alike.

On the 360, most issues, whether you like it or not, have to deal with the complexity of the world they tend to create. And they are working on fixes. Peoples experiences are always different. I had Zero problems with Either Oblivion, FO3 or FO:NV. Yet these titles are also notoriously buggy.
Same thing with Skyrim ... I have misc quests bug out, but none of the major issues.. and I know how to work around them... There are also numerous players without a single problem..
The only thing I like to see improved...: Better release notes with the patches.. (see FO:NV Bethesda!).
One Example; The radiant Role fix in 1.3.. What the hell did they fix.. I still have the same issues I had before (but know how to avoid said issues) (examples People)

There's no point in debating the release date of the game. It came out and that's that. They worked on Skyrim for what....at least a few years? several? There are many bugs and issues with this game, on all 3 systems. Testing it out for a few more months, or even another whole year, probably wouldn't have revealed all the bugs that thousands of players have experienced.

The real issue here is what's being done about it? Can they really make a patch or patches that'll fix all the problems? If so, when will we get them? If not, what then? Should we have to put aside something that we payed for, that we can't get 100% use out of? I know it's not everyone who's experiencing bugs, but based on what I've read all over the web, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of players who are.

For me, I've noticed a few bugs since about 60 hours in. But I was fine with them. Then when I was doing that quest where you have to use the Iron Dragon Claw to open the door at Valthume and the door wouldn't open, I got pretty pissed. That was a quest that can't be completed, a mask that can't be collected, and a Word that can't be learned. Thanks! Now, at about 280 hours in, my Xbox freezes after playing Skyrim for a half hour. Yeah...this really svcks.

The only thing that is as frustrating as Skyrim freezing, is not getting any replies in these forums from any of the admins. So please, let us know what's going on with the next patch, what it will fix and when we can expect it. Some communication can really go a long way.

That said - I would still like to see a patch come out at least monthly. week and a half to two weeks of fixes - test it for two weeks and release it when its ready. Push any fixes that dont get tested to the next patch but still release a patch on time. But what do I know

Well, the specific loading screen freeze I'd like to see fixed is in Fellglow Keep. If you cleared the dungeon before starting the Hitting the Books quest, you can't enter the dungeon again. I'm blocked from the entire College of Winterhold quest line. This is the only major issue I've had so far (Xbox 360).

I read that Bethesda is focusing on code issues before data issues, but that they expected to get to data issues in July. So will this update likely include data fixes?

code issues are done for now, data issues starting this month to get fixed

So I've been pretty busy and haven't touched the game or checked any forums for about a week. Im assuming that Bethesda has since released an update including patch notes and have stated that its been submitted to MS right? Afterall the patch is due this month and would have to have been submitted already to ensure a January release like stated.

Wow. The thinly veiled sarcasm in this post is palpable...

Wow. The thin and vague "updates" that Bugthesda has issued is infuriating. After the holidays turns into in January turns into its gonna get submitted for certification at the end of the month.

Some info about if the PS3 users who are unable to play Skybug will be able to after 2 months would be, um, professional, to say the least.

"After the holidays, we’ll continue to release regular updates for the game — through full title updates, as well as incremental “gameplay updates” to fix whatever issues come up along with rebalancing portions of the game for difficulty or exploits. We plan on having a lot of these, not just a few." -- Gstaff

My expectations are that they will eventually do what the Bugthesda employee said they would be doing. Too much to expect?

if you are tired of waiting you can always sell your game and not have to worry about it any more, fuming over it doesnt make the wait go faster

Since I come here everyday looking for information on "lots of regular" updates, and only find a vacuum of assumptions, I will fume.

If Bugthesda didn't make statements like this and only issued vague tweets as to when we can expect those statements to be fulfilled, there wouldn't be so many flames.

From an article in August, 2011:

Howard is well aware of the unrest among gamers who associate the release of Bethesda's massive, dynamic role-playing games not only with fun, but also with bugs that lock up quests, crash the game, or mangle characters into unrecognizable forms. "It's a known issue and a very valid complaint," he said.

Most if not all of your comments really do amaze me sometimes.

Black text on a black background = unreadable.

So, my dog starts running backwards in circles. I take him to the vet. Three weeks later, I still haven't heard anything about my dog, but the vet has tweeted multiple times about the Vet of the Year award that he has gotten. Am I so out of line to start asking about my dog getting fixed?

i see a few people slating my post for saying the should've been released 1/1/12, i didnt say that because i think the game woulda been bug free by then cos it wouldnt its a massive game i waa just sayin it should have been delayed to cut down on the amount of bugs, personally as a gamer i dont mind seeing articles saying a game has been delayed because its being fixed or polished.

i think its become a trend for big developers to release un-finished games sure they work on patches and things but thats not the point the point is you wouldn't buy a pair of shoes that were un-finished even if the company said we'll finish them for you at a later date.

we as gamers need to let these massive companies know that we wont put up with this.

also as far as G.O.T.Y i dont think a title with this many bugs glitches and exploits should have been considered, thats my honest opinion and rant over

Heres your update:

https://twitter.com/Bethblog

https://twitter.com/paultoner we're working on it. more details will be available soon

https://twitter.com/#!/Bethblog/status/159680727942836224

https://twitter.com/paultoner

https://twitter.com/Bethblog hoping the PS3 gets its issues solved... just bought and started playing only to discover it freezes for no reason. Sad...
https://twitter.com/#!/paultoner/status/159654269610496001

https://twitter.com/Bethblog

https://twitter.com/ThomasBurt should have some more info to share very soon.

https://twitter.com/#!/Bethblog/status/159464486468714496

https://twitter.com/ThomasBurt

https://twitter.com/Bethblog Wondering when we can expect to see the 1.4 update. Thanks.
https://twitter.com/#!/ThomasBurt/status/159305656363528192

I don't give two [censored] about the PS3 users. I'm in the Xbox 360 side of the Forums for a reason.

They never said they would do weekly updates like someone else posted, they just said "regular" updates. Comparing a video game to a pair of shoes to a video game is like comparing a salmon to a bulldozer. It's pointless.

Nobody said that "regular" meant that it would all happen on your time frame. We don't get to choose the frequency of updates, we can only report what is wrong, and let the work towards fixing it.

I agree with DrunkLastNight completely. If you don't like Bethesda's pace, then trade in your copy and play something else. No one is forcing you to suffer through a broken quest, do something else.

Finally, if you all think that a measely $60 gets you the constitutional right to do/say/demand whatever you want from Bethesda, then you are trully as dumb as I thought. You get zero demands due to certain legal agreements that you arbitrarily agreed to upon purchase of the game, and then its use on your platform of choice. You bought the game, you played it, therefore you agreed to it. Don't think that's fair?

Surprise, every game ever created does this exact same thing. And lets not bring back up the [censored] idea of sueing Bethesda. In order for that to go through, you'd have to prove without fail, that every single copy of the game will not play at all. Now take into account the millions and millions of copies that have been sold, not everyone is having the same glitches or bugs, they are not happening at the same time, and that most people have zero problem with the game, and you are only going to make yourselves feel foolish in a courtroom as the suit gets summarily tossed out.

Sure, I imagine many of you are going to call me a blind fan-boy, or part of the gamesas Defense Force. Go ahead. if name calling is the last weapon in your arsenal, then I have won already.

Peace out, calm down, and do something else. I personally, am going to go play Skyrim and have a blast at it.

I still think Bethesda communication with the community simply S****!!!!!! simple as that .....

a unfinished product is a unfinished product be it shoes or a game and the game cost me ￡60 not dollars.

Does the phrase "We are all in this together" mean anything to you? Bugthesda told folks that the PS3 was getting lots of attention and that both consoles perform equally, then released a game that totally contradicted that statement. What's to stop them from doing the same to Xboxers the next time?

It's obvious that all you care about is you being happy. I, on the other hand, feel that how Bugthesda treats all of their customers is an important representation of how I could be treated. And I would not be happy if my game was unplayable after two months.

They have continued to exhibit an inability or unwillingness to post any easy to find updates on this forum since December 22nd. I think that is pretty lame no matter what kind of system I own.

They communicated on twitter, nothing solid just that work is still being done, give them time I would expect that instead of a patch with incremental patches they are opting for just one huge patch that takes care of most if not all the major stuff.

I think you need to mellow out a bit. I admit that some of the things people are complaining about are not that important, but when whole questlines come to a halt because of bugs and glitches then I can see why people are annoyed.

For my part, I'd like to see the problem at Haemar's Shame sorted out when the game crashes whilst doing the 'Family Heirloom' quest.

From August (http://kotaku.com/5834914/the-skyrim-team-has-a-better-plan-for-squashing-bugs-this-time)

Howard is well aware of the unrest among gamers who associate the release of Bethesda's massive, dynamic role-playing games not only with fun, but also with bugs that lock up quests, crash the game, or mangle characters into unrecognizable forms. "It's a known issue and a very valid complaint," he said.

Before launch, Howard said, Bethesda is testing Skyrim rigorously and more heavily using a system that runs automated versions of the game overnight, searching for bugs and helping the team squash them. "We're getting better at it," Howard said.

They knew in August that they were going to be releasing a buggy game and were expecting folks to complain about them. They suggested that they were going to be testing "rigorously and more heavily", yet still released it with major issues on the PS3.

They said "after the holidays" for 1.4 and the Creation Kit instead of later in January. Now they say "very soon" for an update on 1.4.

At what point should I start believing anything they say? Maybe that's why people are so desperate for actions instead of more words from Bugthesda.

We are still after the holidays, we are still in january they arent lying as of yet

Since this thread is getting close to 200 post and may soon be locked for "post limit reached"....

This thread has been active since January 1st. That's 17 days worth of discussion with no input from a Bugthesda "employee" on their own forums.

Either we are rude and can't phrase a question to their liking or they have nothing to offer.

GStaff posted on one of these pages unless you just ignored it