Horse armor. Horse armor never changes.

Look up how much money dressed up games like Kim Kardashian make.

OT but another contributing factor is that Bioware openly and frequently courts social justice issues in their games and on their forums. I am *not* interested in starting a conversation as to whether that is merited or not, but it's a law of the universe that any time a company or person does this in a public space much vitriol and opinion-having ensues from it.

There are small pockets of pleasant people here and there even though the gaming community as a whole has become a large cesspool of cynicism, hatred, and vitriol. I am personally very glad that Bioware has been actively attempting to make their games attractive to more than just the straight white young male basemant dwelling gamer stereotype. We're no longer just stuck with Anomen as a male romance choice as just one example.

As far as the Bethesda forums go, you will have to wait until the people who hate Bethesda and Fallout 4 finally get tired of ranting and move on to other games that they enjoy before discussions become more productive here.

dressed up games?......kim kardashian?...what?!

Yea, after skyrim was released the forums were exactly like what the Fallout 4 forums are right now, it takes time and I know this from experience.

eh... Do you have to download Kim Kardashian from Steam to play her?

The funny thing is, Bethesda openly apologized for Horse Armor and they've haven't done anything like that since. And all of their story DLCs, even as far back as Morrowind when they were called expansions instead of DLCs, have been well worth the asking price IMO. They also said before Skyrim that they weren't satisfied with the quality and response to their story DLCs for Fallout 3, and it wasn't worth the work of making so many shorter DLCs in that timeframe. Hence why they only put out two substantial story expansions for Skyrim, a pattern I hope continues with Fallout 4.

I thought the two story expansions for skyrim was because consoles couldn't handle more then that? I don't remember, I remember someone saying that Bethesda's games would've gotten to big for the consoles to handle but that could've been a cop out. I honestly hope Fallout 4 gets at least 4 major and longer expansions.

Maybe you should look into that then d***.

There's nothing to substantiate those rumors, and I mean nothing. People will talk about the Redguard trademark, but all signs point to them just renewing the title of the old adventure game (which may or may not have been involved with the GOG re-release a good amount of time later).

It would be nice to get four expansions with as much content as there was in Dawnguard and Dragonborn, but I wouldn't hold out for more than two, three tops.

That's a cop-out. Unless it has a significant increase in comparative quality (in terms of what is shown on screen), an expansion is just additional data on the disk or in the harddrive, and shouldn't put additional stress on the system. And if needed, a user can literally go out and buy a larger or external harddrive for their console.

Skyrim after all the DLC is like ~14ish GB I think. Bethesda games are already pretty efficient for filesize, since everything is modular and they can reuse a lot of assets. And in the end, Skyrim's DLC added a comparable amount of content to any other Elder Scrolls game, or Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Just broken down a bit differently.

Oh, I found the interview that mentions what I talked about earlier. http://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/3076322:

"And you mentioned DLC. We would like to do DLC; we don’t have any specific plans yet, but they’ve been really successful and we like making them. So right now I can say that we’d like to do less DLC but bigger ones -- you know, more substantial. The Fallout 3 pace that we did was very chaotic. We did a lot of them -- we had two overlapping groups -- and we don’t know what we’re going to make yet, but we’d like them to be closer to an expansion pack feel."

That was what Todd Howard said about Skyrim. You think that model was better than what Fallout 3 did? Or New Vegas?

I vastly prefer how Skyrim did DLC. I'm much rather have expansions than a bunch of little self contained "bubble" stories as in FNV and most of FO3. I want to be able to use the content in my real game for as long as I am playing it. I really hope "expansions" are the direction Bethesda is going with FO4.

Well I do wanna small dlc like Hearthstone for Fallout 4 because I love settlement building. I liked it so much my first playthrough I took advantage of the cap glitch to get as much resources as I wanted and more of course because of greed. But I recently restarted my first playthrough since the cap glitch was fixed and I am now building god honest settlements, spent my first 7 levels just building santucary and it still needs defenses placed in it lol.

I'd be very happy with some Hearthfire-type DLC, but when it comes to quest and such, I just don't really like getting pulled out of the main game and then forced to go through a "short story" about something else and are stuck there until we complete it, so I prefer expansions that add a lot of stuff and quests integrated into the main game, and if there is a separate location involved, it's easy to move back and forth from there and the mainland and *with* our chosen companions. I don't want to feel obvious that I'm playing a DLC.

Hate because of ME3 is far from justified, it is an amazing game, I didn't mind the ending that the band wagon didn't like, (post add on - I don't care how it was originally, it was down to EA rushing Bioware).

No, I cannot stand to whole "my choices didn't affect enough in the ending" argument because it is so incredibly stupid, your choices are affecting things ALL THE WAY TROUGH THE GAME, not just the end. I don't know what people expected the ending to be, 10 minutes of constant QTE's like a lot of games now? I just don't get it, I understand criticism but the amount of hate ME3 received is far beyond ludicrous.

I'm sorry but I get very aggravated when people try to say that ME3 "svcks" because it's absolute nonsense.

I'm not saying you said that but that is what I am reading from your post.

Bioware pioneered something never before done in video games, not only that but they did it well, incredibly well, the trilogy as a whole was a triumph.

ME3 was and is one of the very best games of last gen (with all the DLC). Most of the criticisms I've heard leveled at it are juvenile, uninformed or just very much from the band wagon. It's the whole, "I'm more critical (negative) than you so I must be smarter" argument that I see EVERYWHERE now. People who say ME3 svcks are not smart people.

I just cannot help but think "band wagon" whenever I hear "ME3 ending".

It's off topic, but there's a video I should try to find for you. It's a bit long, something like 30 minutes, but it explains very clearly, in a very well thought out and presented manner, what is wrong with the ending of ME3.

Yeah well I am one of the few who don't like the ending of ME3 because it nulls the point of the trilogy. Choices we made throughout the series should've effected the play out of the endings not lead to choices the nullifies the whole point of the series. You don't even need to play ME1 or ME2 to beat ME3 just fine because that is how much choices didn't matter in the series. Yeah it was good but until the ending ME3 was a fantastic game but that ending made the series feel empty, I had to force a trilogy run once ME1 released on PS3. They also couldve made choices matter a bit more but they wanted more people to buy the game than follow through on "choices matter thing" overall ME series is a great game series but choices didn't matter pass the romances. Only the romance selections really carried through all three games.

Bioware is also acknowledging the bad endings of ME3 by moving the series to Andromeda, don't be fooled by the words they used for why they are moving galaxies because ME series was Bioware setting up their own controlled universe like Star Wars. Do your research before you sprout crap like that. ME series is because of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic that they made.

That's probably why ME3's ending wasn't up to people's expectations. Trying to tailor enough endings to fit what you did all throughout the trilogy would've taken so much time that frankly, is it worth it? This has been the point I've been trying to hammer in, systems like these just hurt the game's writing and continuum and leads to more problems that make negative feedback to the point it's a controversy a huge possibility whereas just saying "look some things are canon, not everything is going to be tailored for your playthrough, get over it" is better then trying to make a system where everything is piled on from previous games to the point trying to do it would cost too much money, resources, manpower and just delay the game.

Bioware itself proves systems where exporting your choices aren't worth the hassle, Bioware proves that said system just causes problems in the long run. That's the truth in the matter.

I've seen them all mate. Both for and against the ending.

What is wrong with the ME3 ending is subjective, not a fact, it's the guys opinion.

My opinion of the game is 100% form MY experience PLAYING the game MYSELF.

I'm sick of people thinking they can change my opinion because "someone made a video on youtube about it" well there are videos on youtube trying to tell us the world is flat, but it's on youtube, so it must be true, right?

It's my "OPINION" that ME3 is an amazing game, that wont change EVER regardless of what ANYONE says about it, could I change your opinion of a game you have loved for years and completed multiple times by pointing out some dude and saying, this guy hates it, he's better than you!?? No, I don't think I could.

I cannot say you are WRONG because it's your opinion, I think it's wrong to let other people dictate what you like or not, but even that is just my opinion and not a fact.

On the same token you cannot say that I am WRONG for enjoying ME3 in it's entirety.

I think people who enjoy something have more of a right out tell people who don't to shut up and leave them alone than the other way around, killjoys, if you don't like it, go and not like it alone or with the other haters. Let us enjoy it in peace.

I usually do not buy "new" games, but wait a little until they are ready to be played (haven't started Witcher3 for example, but also have the Season Pass). For Fallout4 I bought the Season Pass and respect that the game actual costs ￡39.99+￡24.99.

Games without future support or additional content are not complete in my opinion. It is like buying a piece of software which is barely beta tested and does not have any further patches apart from bug-fixing.

In the beginnging of 2014 I got Skyrim (Legendary) and this is a hell of a game with Dawnguard (love it) and all those mods. I never finished the main quest or Dragonborn (but dragons are cool) and Hearthfire (stupid). So I got myself Oblivion+Addon(Alice in Wonderland or something, never played it much) and finished the main story to learn the lore.

It is nice of the publisher to provide some package you can buy to just have the whole game and all furture update/addons. There are far worse examples out there, where you have to buy each single Addon/DLC or Update and still have the feeling you missed something. For Dragon Age Origins you can even buy stuff twice by accident, like individual armour packs and then the complete armour pack.

Personally I hated ME3 ending because:

-The reason behind the reaper is dumb: "I am an artificial being killing you so you don't get killed by artificial beings."

-The inevitable destruction of organics by articifial being is historically wrong in Mass Effect (possibly twice actually with Shepard's actions), as the Reapers did destroyed the Proteans while they were actually winning their war.

-Besides Reapers could just destroy articicial beings instead...

-The Deus Ex Machina ending seems wrong when it would have been a possible united Galaxy war, as there was showed many ways to destroy Reaper while their shield are down (which could have been the artifact effect).

-No boss battle.

-No selfish ending possibilities.

Well I wasn't going to get it just because I really don't like the idea of buying what I haven't seen. But, my kids got me some STEAM bucks for Christmas so I just went ahead and got it. I would have bought some other games but I know I won't be playing anything but FO4 for a long time now.

Personally I hope the first DLC is a patch. Seriously.

really? I look at it as now they have more money to work on the DLCs with.