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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:42 pm

I like the rebuilt Darth Maul. Aside from the fact that his new appearance is a clear homage to his non-canon Star Wars: Visionaries appearance, I was pleasantly surprised to see he still relied heavily on kicking people when fighting. It did seem odd to see him using a single-bladed lightsaber though.
I was too. Maul kept his juyo style when he did a side flip while at the same time kicking Obi-Wan. I re-watched the battle in the Phantom Menace and I just had to smile to realize it was the same move when Maul had a single blade. I just didn'r like Mother Talzin. Next season we do get a Dooku vs Maul fight, possibly.

Does that mean all books, games and tv shows are canon?
No, there are many things that are non-canon in Star Wars. One example is the "visionaries" comics where Darth Maul returns and attacks Obi-Wan on Tatooine. That is non-canon, as well as some of the books which established a character's death, only to be contradicted with a higher source of canon that out rules him(George Lucas canon).
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:27 pm

Pretty much. I don't agree with all of it, but some of it pretty cool.
I was too. Maul kept his juyo style when he did a side flip while at the same time kicking Obi-Wan. I re-watched the battle in the Phantom Menace and I just had to smile to realize it was the same move when Maul had a single blade. I just didn'r like Mother Talzin. Next season we do get a Dooku vs Maul fight, possibly.

No, there are many things that are non-canon in Star Wars. One example is the "visionaries" comics where Darth Maul returns and attacks Obi-Wan on Tatooine. That is non-canon, as well as some of the books which established a character's death, only to be contradicted with a higher source of canon that out rules him(George Lucas canon).

In a 2001 "Ask the Jedi Council" response by Steve Sansweet (director of fan relations) and Chris Cerasi (an editor for Lucas Books at the time), it was stated that:
“ When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves — and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction Star Wars movies.
The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectible_card_game and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roleplaying_game ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable.
The anology is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. ”


Not really satisfying. I mean just look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJ-B7xTAyo.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:51 pm


Not really satisfying. I mean just look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJ-B7xTAyo.
Thanks for the quote. Very informative. And I didnt't like the game that you showed. Sure, first levels were fun, but the Star Destroyer thing was far too overpowered.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:39 pm

Thanks for the quote. Very informative. And I didnt't like the game that you showed. Sure, first levels were fun, but the Star Destroyer thing was far too overpowered.
I haven't played it either. And I don't like what I've seen of it.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:28 pm

I hate the story. The gameplay is alright, but the story went downhill after the fourth level or so. I stopped following the games ever since the first one.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:29 pm

The game was awesome in my opinion, especially when you become the Sith Stalker, that thing looks badass. Yes the Star Destroyer part was overpowered and didn't make sense, I felt bad for Proxxy he was my favorite character in that game, and when you fight him as Darth Maul that was about as epic as it gets. Did you know that Sam Witwer, the guy who voiced Starkiller in the Force Unleashed, also voiced Darth Maul in the new Clone Wars episodes? Just thought I would throw that out there.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:54 pm

The game was awesome in my opinion, especially when you become the Sith Stalker, that thing looks badass. Yes the Star Destroyer part was overpowered and didn't make sense, I felt bad for Proxxy he was my favorite character in that game, and when you fight him as Darth Maul that was about as epic as it gets. Did you know that Sam Witwer, the guy who voiced Starkiller in the Force Unleashed, also voiced Darth Maul in the new Clone Wars episodes? Just thought I would throw that out there.
My favorite character in the Force Unleashed easily is Darth Vader and Maris Brood. I liked Starkiller in the beginning when he hunted down and killed the Jedi, then I hated the game the point he became all "noble" and "good" and fell in love with Juno Eclipse. That was just..meh. I bought the game, believing we were going Dark Side in the entire thing only to find out he chumps out and joins a Jedi? And the lightside ending is made canon? Just like the KOTOR games. Frankly, I don't play Star Wars games that much. The only game I will buy would be the Old Republic, because there is no way they can ruin each character storyline(Especially the Sith) and make it lightside canon. That would be horrific.

The story was just crappy. So, a boy raised by Darth Vader in Sith ways all of the sudden becomes the victim and whines about being betrayed? I guess Vader left out the part where the Sith always betrays one another, as Shaak-Ti says it. It's just mind boggling that he wouldn't want to plot his own revenge to take out Vader and the Emperor using the rebels as pawns. Last thing a dark-sider should do is sit around and complain that they were stabbed in the back. All Sith betray one another sooner or later. Sidious himself betrayed his master, Darth Plagueis by giving him too much whine and killing him in his sleep. Then he backstabbed Darth Tyranus, replacing him with Darth Vader, then he tried to replace Vader with Starkiller, and when that didn't work, he tried again by trying to make Luke kill Vader. While when that was going on, Darth Vader tried to use Luke to kill Sidious so they can rule the galaxy. Not to mention, as soon as Anakin became Darth Vader he wanted to use his wife to overthrow Sidious. He barely became a Sith and he already was thinking about killing the man who "promised" to save his wife.

In any case, they only added Darth Maul in the Force Unleashed because they were suppose to make a Darth Maul game where we play as Darth Maul. But they decided to make the Force Unleashed since Darth Maul was a character whó's fate people knew about(That didn't stop them from making a damn Obi-Wan game and Jango Fett game, did it?). Frankly, I would of went crazy if they made a Darth Maul game, cause he is easily my favorite character in Star Wars next to Boba Fett and a few others. And there would be no way to make the ending lightside, since Darth Maul has always been a Sith.

I actually knew Sam Witwer was going to play Darth Maul way before anyone else did. I remember reading the article that rumored that he would be voicing Maul last year, and the article was just published, so I was among the first haha. And Sam Witwer also voice "The Son", and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KysjZWFzAw0&t=1m52sHe also plays Aidan the vampire in Being Human. He is easily one of my favorite actors.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:09 pm

My favorite character in the Force Unleashed easily is Darth Vader and Maris Brood. I liked Starkiller in the beginning when he hunted down and killed the Jedi, then I hated the game the point he became all "noble" and "good" and fell in love with Juno Eclipse. That was just..meh. I bought the game, believing we were going Dark Side in the entire thing only to find out he chumps out and joins a Jedi? And the lightside ending is made canon? Just like the KOTOR games. Frankly, I don't play Star Wars games that much. The only game I will buy would be the Old Republic, because there is no way they can ruin each character storyline(Especially the Sith) and make it lightside canon. That would be horrific.

The story was just crappy. So, a boy raised by Darth Vader in Sith ways all of the sudden becomes the victim and whines about being betrayed? I guess Vader left out the part where the Sith always betrays one another, as Shaak-Ti says it. It's just mind boggling that he wouldn't want to plot his own revenge to take out Vader and the Emperor using the rebels as pawns. Last thing a dark-sider should do is sit around and complain that they were stabbed in the back. All Sith betray one another sooner or later. Sidious himself betrayed his master, Darth Plagueis by giving him too much whine and killing him in his sleep. Then he backstabbed Darth Tyranus, replacing him with Darth Vader, then he tried to replace Vader with Starkiller, and when that didn't work, he tried again by trying to make Luke kill Vader. While when that was going on, Darth Vader tried to use Luke to kill Sidious so they can rule the galaxy. Not to mention, as soon as Anakin became Darth Vader he wanted to use his wife to overthrow Sidious. He barely became a Sith and he already was thinking about killing the man who "promised" to save his wife.

In any case, they only added Darth Maul in the Force Unleashed because they were suppose to make a Darth Maul game where we play as Darth Maul. But they decided to make the Force Unleashed since Darth Maul was a character whó's fate people knew about(That didn't stop them from making a damn Obi-Wan game and Jango Fett game, did it?). Frankly, I would of went crazy if they made a Darth Maul game, cause he is easily my favorite character in Star Wars next to Boba Fett and a few others. And there would be no way to make the ending lightside, since Darth Maul has always been a Sith.

I actually knew Sam Witwer was going to play Darth Maul way before anyone else did. I remember reading the article that rumored that he would be voicing Maul last year, and the article was just published, so I was among the first haha. And Sam Witwer also voice "The Son", and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KysjZWFzAw0&t=1m52sHe also plays Aidan the vampire in Being Human. He is easily one of my favorite actors.
I would love to play a game where you get to play as Darth Maul he was one of my favorite characters because he had a dual-lightsaber come on that is awesome. I didn't like how even if you choose the evil side and kill Vader Starkiller then tries to kill the Emperor too. I knew Sam Witwer did the voice of the Emperor, but it sounds nothing like him, and he is one of my favorite actors as well because I love Being Human he plays Aidan very well. I swear we are related somehow we seem to like the same things.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:19 pm

I agree. It's more for the kiddies on the morality thing. Though there was an episode called "Heroes on Both sides" which explained each party in the war had their own point of view, and that none of them were "evil" for "evil's" sake.

Though the last episode of this season was pretty good. I totally knew Darth Maul would kill those children ever since I saw the previews. Yep, ruthless Sith at his finest. And this episode Obi-Wan and that bald chick, Ventress, retreated and escaped. They practically lost the fight between Maul and Opress. Though I wished Ventress died. I don't like the new direction their taking her.

Yeah those were alright.

And yeah shes to chummy now, I don't mind her mutual partnership but they better not become BFF.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:26 pm

I would love to play a game where you get to play as Darth Maul he was one of my favorite characters because he had a dual-lightsaber come on that is awesome. I didn't like how even if you choose the evil side and kill Vader Starkiller then tries to kill the Emperor too. I knew Sam Witwer did the voice of the Emperor, but it sounds nothing like him, and he is one of my favorite actors as well because I love Being Human he plays Aidan very well. I swear we are related somehow we seem to like the same things.
Yeah, you must be my lost twin or something haha.

ANd you just had to call the Dark Side ending the evil side, didnt you?

"Evil is a word used by the ignorant and the weak. The dark side is about survival. It's about unleashing your inner power. It glorifies the strength of the individual.

;)

Yeah, double-bladedl ightsaber is win. I remember playing as Maul in Battlefront II during the Clone Wars. I always thought to myself how it didn't make any sense for him to be there, guess everyone else was wrong when he first showed up in the new series.


Yeah those were alright.

And yeah shes to chummy now, I don't mind her mutual partnership but they better not become BFF.
Personally, I think maul should kill her off so that he could get a bit more of his "revenge". But it's already been confirmed that he sets his eyes on Dooku and Grievous for taking his place. Or at least implied.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:25 pm

Yeah, you must be my lost twin or something haha.

ANd you just had to call the Dark Side ending the evil side, didnt you?

"Evil is a word used by the ignorant and the weak. The dark side is about survival. It's about unleashing your inner power. It glorifies the strength of the individual.

:wink:

Yeah, double-bladedl ightsaber is win. I remember playing as Maul in Battlefront II during the Clone Wars. I always thought to myself how it didn't make any sense for him to be there, guess everyone else was wrong when he first showed up in the new series.


Personally, I think maul should kill her off so that he could get a bit more of his "revenge". But it's already been confirmed that he sets his eyes on Dooku and Grievous for taking his place. Or at least implied.
I said evil because I am pretty sure the trophy for it says something about evil, but I wouldn't say the Sith are exactly good people though, except for Anakin he joined the Dark Side for a good reason to save Padme. I would be like Starkiller learn the Sith powers and be somewhat selfish, but not be a Sith and risk being betrayed. The way Anakin describes the Sith in Episode 3 is perfect because they aren't evil, they just are not going out of their way to help people like the Jedi are.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:01 am

I said evil because I am pretty sure the trophy for it says something about evil, but I wouldn't say the Sith are exactly good people though, except for Anakin he joined the Dark Side for a good reason to save Padme. I would be like Starkiller learn the Sith powers and be somewhat selfish, but not be a Sith and risk being betrayed. The way Anakin describes the Sith in Episode 3 is perfect because they aren't evil, they just are not going out of their way to help people like the Jedi are.
Eh, go back to the second, third and fourth page. There is a discussion entirely on that subject :P

Haha. But I see where you are coming from, I just said the quote because I felt compelled to.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:17 pm

Eh, go back to the second, third and fourth page. There is a discussion entirely on that subject :tongue:

Haha. But I see where you are coming from, I just said the quote because I felt compelled to.
It is true though the Sith aren't evil they use their powers for themselves and not others like the Jedi do. By the way how did Darth Maul survive getting chopped in half, which I can understand since he is not human, but how did he survive that fall?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:42 pm

It is true though the Sith aren't evil they use their powers for themselves and not others like the Jedi do. By the way how did Darth Maul survive getting chopped in half, which I can understand since he is not human, but how did he survive that fall?
A few factors contributed to his survival. I guess the number one fact is him being a Sith, who just use their anger to survive impossible scenarios like Darth Vader losing his limbs and suffering fourth degree burns, or even General Grievous who is just a brain and a few organs, while the rest is mostly machine. Darth Maul also has two hearts, as all the members of his species, so that helped. Not to mention he didn't suffer from the loss of blood as a lightsaber cauterizes the wound. He escaped by using the force to grab an air vent. I don't undestand though, since his intestines could of fell out while he was tumbling down.

Now I have no idea on how he escaped Naboo on his own. But I know that he did get the spider legs and how he became insane.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:01 pm




In a 2001 "Ask the Jedi Council" response by Steve Sansweet (director of fan relations) and Chris Cerasi (an editor for Lucas Books at the time), it was stated that:


Not really satisfying. I mean just look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJ-B7xTAyo.

Well then, I stand corrected. But he does say that all material is an interpretation of Star Wars with varying degrees of "truth" which I wouks equate to being "canon" to certain degrees. Either way, it just confuses the universe with all the canon, might be part of the canon, is only canon in this context. Excellent post.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:58 pm

A few factors contributed to his survival. I guess the number one fact is him being a Sith, who just use their anger to survive impossible scenarios like Darth Vader losing his limbs and suffering fourth degree burns, or even General Grievous who is just a brain and a few organs, while the rest is mostly machine. Darth Maul also has two hearts, as all the members of his species, so that helped. Not to mention he didn't suffer from the loss of blood as a lightsaber cauterizes the wound. He escaped by using the force to grab an air vent. I don't undestand though, since his intestines could of fell out while he was tumbling down.

Now I have no idea on how he escaped Naboo on his own. But I know that he did get the spider legs and how he became insane.
I figured he had to have some kind of a different anatomy than humans since he survived so the two hearts falls under that, but he may not have intestines since he is a different species. I knew that lightsabers cauterized wounds because well they just do, so I knew he couldn't have bled to death. Yeah, that doesn't make sense how he got off Naboo I am guessing no one questioned half a body dragging itself to a ship...
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:40 pm

I figured he had to have some kind of a different anatomy than humans since he survived so the two hearts falls under that, but he may not have intestines since he is a different species. I knew that lightsabers cauterized wounds because well they just do, so I knew he couldn't have bled to death. Yeah, that doesn't make sense how he got off Naboo I am guessing no one questioned half a body dragging itself to a ship...
Yeah. Some plot holes there. Then again, there always is plot holes in that episode alone that it's too much to mention.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:54 pm

What's even worse than that is the jedi outfitted them in big sluggish heavy armor that slows them down but does nothing to protect them from a single blaster shot so they are like sitting ducks the jedi use as human shields during charges in battle.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phase_I_clone_trooper_armor it weighs just under 80 pounds and it does protect against most blaster weapons.... nothing against lightsabers though
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:59 pm

this is the worst thread derailing ive seen in a long time
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:20 pm

Darth Maul went from badass Sith assassin to a psycho cyborg. Not a good move, IMO, especially because I was young when Episode I came out and I loved Darth Maul.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:32 pm

this is the worst thread derailing ive seen in a long time
Are you a mod or wannabe mod or something? Every damn time I see you stalk around you have to complain about the post count or thread derailing. Please, for the love of Pete, just get the hell out of here man.
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