Let's be honest, many are not happy with the changes that are made in the streamlining of it, but in a way it is a step forward; I like selection as much as everyone else here does, and I would like to see the sort of weapons and features from previous games be implemented again in a good manner, but certain features are dated and old. Acrobatics was a fun skill to mess around with and level up and have fun using it, but it could be quite difficult, and wouldn't really make sense when my character in Oblivion could jump with an excess of four hundred pounds of equipment. Not only that, but is the compass and other such features of Skyrim so bad? It makes it easier to move around and find whatever you are looking for, without you having to blindly wander around into ambushes and the sort.

I don't like simplification and the sort like that, but some streamlining of the game has to come into play; you can have nostalgia for old games like Morrowind and Oblivion, but to move forward you have to change, otherwise the same base that would complain of things being taken away would complain of gameplay stagnation and dated controls, interface, and the like.

When I see all of this.. the only thing come out from mind is.. "move on"

That is only a useful sentiment if we are moving on to something better.
Would you still say 'move on' if we were moving on into fiery pits of lava or would you say 'back up' ?

It's really too hard to rank my favorite TES games. Just because the other two games that I've played (Morrowind & Oblivion) were great doesn't mean that Skyrim isn't. All of the games have had their high points and if Bethesda rehashed all the good stuff from the previous games people would say how it's just the same junk over and over.

SKYRIM IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS SO IT SUUUUCKS, STOP CHANGING THINGS BETHESDA!!!


Oh [censored] it, I'm tired of doing the same old long speeches how this is just ignorance upon ignorance, so I'll just make fun of it:

Arena had boats, Daggerfall removed them, and since then no Elder Scrolls game had driveable boats. This clearly proves that Arena is the best in the series and every sequel is just dumbed down shallow clone made to please wider audiences, because many people are seasick, they might not like boats...

EDIT: Oops, thought my other post didn't go through so I double posted it. My apologies, ignore this.

Well someone completely missed the point.

Daggerfall had boats. Well, ships.

But you couldn't drive them, SO DUMBED DOWN!

Have you played any of the other TES games?

What's a boat without any canons?

That's right their pointless.

Well, I'm going to go against the general consensus of this thread and say that Skyrim is my favorite TES game, and I've been playing since Daggerfall.

I freakin' love this game and I can't get enough of it. I put in about 250 hours on the 360 and now I'm using mods on the PC version with a top gaming rig. I am in heaven.

I hated the constant bugs in Daggerfall, I hated the cliffracers in Morrowind, and I hated the level scaling in Oblivion. Skyrim got it right as far as I'm concerned. This game rocks.

Now, back to our daily scheduled Skyrim bashing.

Youre in that mode again where I cant take you seriously.
Quit it please, its not really helping anything or anyone, it just makes your side of the argument look all that less attractive.

Seriously, when you desire to inform, teach or maybe even convince people of your side of the story what you then do not do is berate them.
You talk to them from a position of understanding and sympathy as to liken them to your cause.

This sort of thing is people 101 and I cant believe you do not know that.

But instead you continuously overexaggerate, imply that people are saying things they are not, focusing on arbitrary details, misrepresenting into oblivion. (That thing you said about Morrowind storyline stung man, I hope you read my reply.)

Its annoying me, to be honest. And while you may have points to make that have legitimacy to them, I really would wish that you would dress them up a little less singularly insular.

Is your name a typo or did you mean to spell Skyrim wrong?

I'm not trying to be a jerk but I actually really am wondering this, lol.

Some of us do.

You're completely right. Skyrim is not exactly the same but what it is, is less than its predecessors. Forget about the lack of weapons,customization, and ships, but you have to look at its core. The quests, depth, choices and exploration, if I'm not mistaken this is basically what makes TES great games. When comparing these key ideas through out the different games you can see that Skyrim does lack.

What's a car without any machine guns?

That's right, a form of transport.

Give me your gaming rig and I think you might make the game better. *hides bag* I'm not "borrowing" the parts, I promise.

This plan isn't working... Okay... I'll try to bash a game I like. Uh... I like killing bunnies.

It is a typo,I was mortified to find I had spelt it wrong, must've pressed the Y key wrong

But after a while I grew a custom to it

What's a form of transport without a roof?

That's right, a convertible.

Haha, I figured that's probably what happened. I've seen your screen name quite a few times and this is the first time I actually noticed it was spelled wrong.

Probably because I wasn't trying at all.

This is the same tirade for the millionth time, the same flawed arguments, the same crap over and over again.

I tried to explain what is wrong with all this, basically nearly every complaint that has to bring up Morrowind, but no...


But if you so want an actual argument about this perticular problem, fine, I'll do it without a joke this time:

EVERY SINGLE GAME LACKED SOMETHING THAT THEIR PREDECESSORS HAD. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE OF THEM!

No boats in Daggerfall, no passwall, no self-centered area of effect spell-form (until Skyrim)
No horses in Morrowind, no Thaumaturgy, no climbing, no swimming skill, no language skills, no knightly orders, no class weaknesses, no daily routines (by that I mean the simplest of them all Daggerfall had, shops closing at night)...
Oblivon and Skyrim have been done millions of times, I won't repeat them.

Thing is, this is a stupid thing to complain about, and with this you just concentrate on things that are missing, ignoring what is actually in the game.

And no, you cannot just "add stuff to it" or "just fix it", it doesn't work that way.

This is so wrong, I'm just speechless, instead I let somebody else say it:
no, it really does not, especially if you have to compare them to the other TES games...

Enchanting is one of the most watered down skills in Skyrim. In Morrowind, you could enchant amulet and rings, that cast destruction spells!

I remember that I enchanted a ring that would summon a daedra. That was pretty awesome.

Now how is removing these features an improvement?