Why so much hate for Skyrim? : V - Skyrim

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:50 pm

I don't believe it's nostalgia... I actually believe it's simply a set standard players particularly like... and that's usually endemic of their first ES experience. I mean, when you make a home-cooked meal, how often do you change it from your base fundamental recipe? It's kinda like the running theory in the TV series Doctor Who... that show has been on since 1963... so every viewer tends to have a different actor who played the Doctor, and almost all of them tend to sight their favorite Doctor being their first one they saw, and state it should go back towards that particular Doctor's style.

Sounds like nostalgia to me.

I can certainly se why morrowind players get frustrated when beth takes away something that maid the game so greate. But their should be more embracing of skyrims new elements imo.

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:57 pm

Obviously the game you want is Crysis, not Skyrim or Morrowind. Buy Crysis, start playing that and stop bothering us with this "graphics = gameplay" nonsense.

Ouch! You gave the OP a black eye. Anyways, I must remind the OP that in 2002 you needed a pc from NASA to run Morrowind. Today, you don't need a powerful pc to run vanilla Skyrim. Also, the reason why MW has lasted more than 10 years is certainly not just for the graphics. Let see how long your Skyrim last when TES6 comes in.

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:51 am

I've been playing Elder Scrolls games since Morrowind and gameplay wise Skyrim is the best of the bunch. Politics wise Morrowind is better but when it comes to quests Skyrim is the best

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:00 am

This thread touches on a subject I find interesting to study. The phenomenon I find here is actually that the first ES one plays is usually their favorite or at least the high standard for all that follow or precede. I have a theory as to why.

ES has only one clearly defining, uniting characteristic: diversity. No two games are alike in the series, each is very distinct from its predecessor. Look at the art style and feel of the games and you will find that Daggerfall is completely different from Morrowind which is completely different from Oblivion which is completely different from Skyrim. Now this has a positive result and in my opinion is a virtue. It means each game is a genuine new game. It is a new experience. Each new region generates a sense of wonder for me, I feel drawn to explore because I have never been in a place like it before. However, this does have a negative effect and this is where the paradoxical problem comes in. People like diversity, but people also love that first experience and the nostalgia. ES naturally sacrifices those things for this virtue of diversity. So you don't get that nostalgia factor you may get with other series. For Morrowind fans and Oblivion fans it will never recapture that opening moment because the games just aren't the same; they aren't supposed to be. Morrowind is probably the oddest of the bunch (it's art direction and gameplay is VERY distinct from the rest of the series), so the effect is intensified there. So basically, it is a paradoxical issue: the game has great diversity, but that diversity naturally generates favoritism. But I think that if that diversity went away in order to make a "Morrowind II, III, IV" or "Oblivion II, III, IV," ES will have lost it's greatest value of always bringing a new realm and new experience.

Good point!

In my case MGS2 is better than MGS3. Im sure nostalgia has something to do it.

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:27 am

In the end, it is all about the lore, and "The Elder Scrolls" is rich in dark, and mysterious lore unlike anything out there. As long as they don't get silly, or lazy, I'll stay interested. I can only hope that future installment intellectual AI gets a shot in the arm. Some of the NPC's just don't know they keep repeating themselves. Lucan Valerius in the Riverwood trader needs to end his appreciation for retrieving the claw already. Solaf needs to shut the hell up about his brother, and his brother could use some more AI. Yea, I've got my issues with Skyrim too, but overall is a superior game to the rest IMO.

:flamethrower:

Morrowind flame suit on.

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:36 pm

You can't kill Skyrim's cliffracers by casting levitate on them. :stare:

Could you kill cliffracers with levitate? how did that work?
Know levitate 1 area effect was nice for slowing enemies down, however it was not dangerous unless they followed you trough an load door.

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:11 am

Could you kill cliffracers with levitate? how did that work?
Know levitate 1 area effect was nice for slowing enemies down, however it was not dangerous unless they followed you trough an load door.

Cast levitate on them for 1 sec - they'd forget how to fly. We had a forum-goer known as SadisticMage who obviously loved tinkering with Morrowind's magic system. It's sad how gutted it is in Skyrim - pretty pathetic that it's outdone by WoW.

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:34 am

All I read on these forums is how MW is soooooo much better but having watched lots of footage on YouTube I just don't understand how a game with such poor graphics and combat animations can be better as things such as this totally ruins the immersion. Maybe it's just me who puts too much emphasis on things like graphics? You may say if graphics are so important play on PC but its not a practical option for me.

Frankly, you have to put time into actually playing Morrowind to understand the appeal behind it. It's not the graphics or the gameplay that makes it a great game; it's the storyline, the characters, the alien world bleeding corruption and political intrigue. It's the harshness of the world, the fact that the game literally oozes lore and the incredible amount of depth within the game. In my opinion (and many others), Morrowind is infinitely more immersive than Skyrim.

That being said, I don't hate Skyrim. It's completely different from Morrowind, and thus I don't compare the two while I play. But the reason lots of people seem disappointed with Skyrim is the lack of depth, horrible writing, and rather bland and forgettable quests and questlines. For the most part, that's not why I play Skyrim. If I want that, I play Morrowind or Oblivion. I play Skyrim for the exploration, the character creation and building, and the gameplay.

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:35 am

I wouldn't say most people on this forum outright "hate" Skyrim, many are just disappointed with how it compares to previous games. Personally, Skyrim was also my first ES game which impressed me so much I later bought every Bethesda game on Steam from Morrowind onwards (Daggerfall I'm currently trying to play through an emulator). Trust me, the graphics of MW may be badly dated, but once you spend some time digging up the lore, there's some fantastic to delve into. Besides, there's always mods.

I don't actually find bad graphics immersion breaking at all (see Thief TDP), it only breaks immersion if the graphics are inconsistent (pop-ins etc.).

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:11 pm

I'm relatively new to ES, Skyrim being the only one I've played in fact...

All I read on these forums is how MW is soooooo much better but having watched lots of footage on YouTube I just don't understand how a game with such poor graphics and combat animations can be better as things such as this totally ruins the immersion...

You may say if graphics are so important play on PC but its not a practical option for me.

That's exactly why people like Skyrim so much.

» Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:48 pm

It's always an interesting subject I think. For me, MW was my first experience of the franchise and I loved it. Surprisingly though I really loved Oblivion too (although the Giant Oblivion gate battle was awful). Skyrim, I've yet to really fall for. Personally I think it depends on how you play games, what you expect of them and what values you hold with a higher regard. In Skyrim I've felt more quests bore me than either MW or Oblivion. I find a number of places rather drab, found the Civil War campaign quite disappointing and have had numerous times when I'm bored of dragon encounters (as they seem very repetitive.) No doubt, the graphics are brilliant, the fighting style is much improved and there are a number of elements that have been improved compared to the older games. Yet it still doesn't capture my interest. Why? I cannot say, obviously there were things present in MW and Oblivion that I hold very highly which are not in Skyrim (or are in lesser amounts). I would say that the story and the writing seems much weaker but that's subjective. I think a lot of the quests are very bland but, once again, subjective. So for me Skyrim is a game of great graphical achievement, improved fighting and character creation but it feels bland and unimaginative/repetitive. One thing I'll say though, the music of the game is absolutely sublime.