I'm relatively new to ES, Skyrim being the only one I've played in fact. I absolutely love the game (apart from the frequent crashes on 360 of course) and find it really sad reading all the hate for the game on this forum.

I can fully understand the frustration regarding the lack of bug fixes and the disappointment from PS3 players but come on, the game is awesome.

All I read on these forums is how MW is soooooo much better but having watched lots of footage on YouTube I just don't understand how a game with such poor graphics and combat animations can be better as things such as this totally ruins the immersion. Maybe it's just me who puts too much emphasis on things like graphics? You may say if graphics are so important play on PC but its not a practical option for me.

Just some thoughts.

Obviously the game you want is Crysis, not Skyrim or Morrowind. Buy Crysis, start playing that and stop bothering us with this "graphics = gameplay" nonsense.

Because it lacks Cliffracers!

I don't see that much hate for Skyrim on the forum. There are some unhappy people but most are true fans that bleed TES.
I don't find graphics as important as game play. I would rather have a game that looks OK and plays great over looks awesome and plays like junk.

You kinda answer your own question. Your immersion today is triggered by other standards than their immersion in 2003. Morrowind was looking hot for 2002 and has aged pretty well.

Not hate, just a tad bit of disappointment. After 12 years or so there is still an enormous amount of MW I have never done--my husband has found things and done quests in the last two months I didn't know existed. In half that time I've completely finished Oblivion and its EPS. And, while I've not completely explored Skyrim in less than a year, I figure I've done about 80% of the quests several times and never gotten around to a lot of them because they just don't interest me that much....

But I spent years playing a game where my character was an @ because it was full of silly surprises. If all you want from a game is better blood spatter--go for it. I prefer complexity and an interesting plotline ot shiny shallow graphics.

I must agree.

Vocal minorities, etc., etc.

It is like this on (almost) EVERY game forum I've been on. Ever.

First: this is going in a very badly way if no one closes this
Second: Saying that people hate Skyrim but then saying that you Hate Morrowind is going to be a huge Snowball with Fire
Third: Morrowind is still one of the Bests, the graphics dont matter, if you like Super Meat Boy i dont think people should judge you because of that, that was a bad Example
Fourth: Skyrim is Really good, so is All the rest of the TES games

This. Game forum users don't actually stand for the entire community for that game. If you actually look outside of the forum, Skyrim is one of the most hyped games ever.

If graphics are a problem for you than you obviously couldn't appreciate Morrowind or Oblivion even if you think Skyrim is lacking, also starting the series with Skyrim certainly won't give you the same immersion as if you started early with the lore and series.

If you are looking at graphics first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kkurXgkkfg


Also this.

Modded Morrowind is actually just as beautiful as Skyrim, check it out:

http://i.imgur.com/Imj2v.jpg

But, immersion is so much more than that.

I think your reply is a bit over the top. I just feel a certain level of graphics/animations are important for this type of game.

Sure, I agree MW has aged very well but I think I'd struggle to enjoy it as much as Skyrim however good the gameplay, quests are etc

I wouldn't try to understand it if I were you. It's like a Fallout 3 fan playing previous Fallout games, they won't like it. The same goes with older fans. Many older Fallout fans were disappointed with Fallout 3 (I'm one of them). It's just one of those things.

Well, you have to remember, back then, those were pretty good graphics, specially considering the scope of the game. Also, the lore and story of the game was much rich, and came across as more fresh, something perceived as entirely different. That said, Skyrim and Morrwind are near equal to me. Morrwind had the story I liked more, and the lore felt more rich, but everything else, was to me, a below average game as far as the "game" part was concerned. Just the "Elder Scrolls" protion of the game was done so well, that you cant help but fall in love with it if you are a big lore buff.

That said, I think skyrim does a good job of this as well, much less with the metaphysical and more with the tangible reality, and also, imo did I good job with the lore in a lot of good was as well. Oblivion was, to me(up until Shivering Island) 2 steps back, and skyrim for me was 2 steps forward. Skyrim does have the better ambiance/enviroment and more "believable" also the gameplay was much more fluid, and a lot more fun to play. The lack of a more "customized" paper doll was missed, but the increase to gameplay, imo far outweighed that what was lost.

Skyrim was the 1st Elder Scroll(been playing them since 96ish) I can enjoy not just or the lore and story, but also because it is a fun game to play. Also, the lore in skyrim, to me is a lot more "metroid" in so much as you have to search for it, and I really like that about this one.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/8579

Sorry I don't recall saying I hate MW?!?

I see where you're coming from, actually.

If you had played the game when it was at its apex of popularity, you'd probably feel differently. But in this day and age, we've come to expect the uncanny valley from games like Skyrim. Graphics become a crutch for immersion and realism, and that's okay. However, if you gave MW a try, I don't think you'd find the graphics would hinder your experience as much as you might expect.

this is making me remove the Skyrim monster mod for sure!

There aren't nearly so many haters here far as I can tell as there were before the game came out. Before the release, this place was absolutely flooded with people droning on and on about how awful it looked and how it was going to be terrible. Some people even seemed to be gloating over how the game was so obviously going to be a massive failure and the worst game ever, because apparently a bad TES is great so long as it vindicates your pessimism. But a week or so after it was released when it was getting good scores all across the board and more popularity even than previous games and becoming pop-culture hit and all most of the haters disappeared, or perhaps pretended they were never among the ranks.

Regardless, some persist because that is the case on every website dealing with a popular franchise. There will always be a large number of people on any given game forum calling themselves fans despite doing nothing but talking about how bad the games are. We just live in a very cynical time I suppose, but trust me, this forum ain't nearly as bad as others. I guess the fact that Skyrim doesn't have multiplayer helps to some degree, though I also like to think that Skyrim is just so good and so much of a hit that it's hard to have the same number of cynics as other franchises. That said, I find your criticsm of Morrowind unwarranted. 'Twas a great game for the time, to be sure, and while the gameplay felt massively dated and inferior after Oblivion came out, graphic mods kept the video quality as high as ever and the storyline and artistic designs still stick out as great, possibly still the greatest in the franchise, even if I haven't played either Morrowind or Oblivion since 11/11/11.

Did Morroblivion ever get completed?

Pay no attention to what other people say.

Daggerfall fanatics were utterly livid with hatred for Morrowind. Morrowind ruined the Elder Scrolls. It was nothing but a shallow action game with shiny graphics designed to appeal to casual console and first-person shooter gamers. It was an abomination to even think of calling Morrowind a roleplaying game.

Morrowind fanatics were livid with hatred for Oblivion. Oblivion ruined the Elder Scrolls. It was nothing but a shallow action game with shiny graphics designed to appeal to casual console and first-person shooter gamers. It was an abomination to even think of calling Oblivion a roleplaying game.

Now Oblivion players are livid with hatred for Skyrim. Skyrim has ruined the Elder Scrolls. It is nothing but a shallow action game with shiny graphics designed to appeal to casual console and first-person shooter gamers. It is an abomination to even think of calling Skyrim a roleplaying game.

After awhile you realize it's all just white noise. It doesn't mean a thing. It's a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. The way to stay sane on these forums is to ignore the repetitive, redundant negativity and focus on playing the games. If my ten years here have taught me anything it is that the games will still be here long after their critics have moved on to criticize the next new game.

They removed all the cool stuff and cut corners