In both Daggerfall and Bloodmoon, you'd lose a lot of health if you didn't sate your bloodlust. You wouldn't exactly "die", but it made you very easy to be killed until you ate someone. The Ring of Hircine was the only thing that helped.

Should of been kept that way in Skyrim.

They should have never made werewolfs if they made them like that. If you have looked at other lores theres no say about this but if you guys want a super nerf to the already pathetic werewolf go for it.

No thank you. The whole appeal to me of a werewolf is that you become a savage beast, and can't think on a high level. That you're more concerned with killing and feeding your bloodlust than anything else, and can't control yourself.

If you want an anthro wolf race, then fine, but you don't need to mess with werewolves to do it.


Oh, no. Werewolves/boars had pretty nasty glitches in Daggerfall. You could still talk to some people, and if you tried to turn in quests, you could crash the game. On full moons, you could use your lycanthropy spell to change yourself back for a few seconds (allowing you to inappropriately use items and whatnot) before the game would detect it and force you back into beast form. Also, due to the requirement to feed on NPCs, you could find yourself with almost no health at very inopportune times, causing you to reload a much earlier save. Also, being that there was almost no NPC AI to speak of, there were a lot of things Daggerfall could get away with that simply couldn't be possible in later games without breaking everything.

In Morrowind, if you tried to keep your lycanthropy, if you were anywhere but Solstheim you'd run out of NPCs to feed on since they don't respawn. Transformations remained nightly and required nightly feeding, even after the Bloodmoon event was over. Your game would effectively be finished if any law-abiding NPC spotted you transforming. It was not designed for you to remain infected with lycanthropy for long once you finished the Bloodmoon MQ, and it took mods to fix it.


In Skyrim, there's a lot of things that could break if you changed into a werewolf during particular events. Although they can still break if you use the Beast Form power, they at least made it so it doesn't happen on accident by leaving out forced transformations. Allowing forced transformations would require more work to keep those quests from breaking (by either suppressing forced transformations during those events, or redoing the AI so it doesn't break the events in spite of it happening).

As it is, Skyrim is already pretty weak with some NPCs not recognizing you being in beast form (thieves and roadway robbers will still run up to you and demand money), and being seen transforming is only a 1000 gold fine. Given the witness system, I think a death sentence that you couldn't pay off would've been more appropriate (at least if there weren't so many unkillable NPCs)... if someone saw you, you could just kill them. Having a limit on the length of time you could be known as a werewolf would've also played nicely with the regional crime system, too. If someone saw you and you couldn't kill them, just avoid towns in that Hold for a while and they'd eventually forget and let you back in.

But again, that all would've required more development time to implement and get working properly, as well as needing to rewrite part of the Companions questline to handle these types of werewolves, and to handle the fact that you could be one before ever joining.

They simply didn't have time to make lycanthropy fit pre-existing lore better while remaining fun to play.

I agree the werewolves are lackluster in this game. They also seems pretty weak with no hand to hand skill or stats to fortify. I transformed into a werewolf once with my Nord, realized it's attacks were weaker than my two hander, and never transformed again.

Obvious glitches aside, I think that returning to the precedent of Werecreature game-play would make the experience much better. Forced transformations and the need to kill should be part of playing as a Werecreature character, consequences and all. This would include bonuses to Hand to Hand, Unarmored, resistance to normal weapons, Night eye and detect humanoid etc all in the same package and if you transform in the middle of an important quest or lose health because you don't kill then it is your own fault and you should deal with the consequences.

There are many things that Bethesda should take more time developing and implementing, this is one of them.

I don't understand why it needs to be fun to play. It's a curse. How are curses fun? Especially when you're on the receiving end.

Yeah I think they did a poor job with the werewolf thing since it can only be contracted from a specific quest line as opposed to contracting sanguine vampirism ( thats the disease right? xD ) I never even notice my character is a werewolf because I have complete control over transformation's and has 0 effect on my gameplay other than sleeping doesn't give me a rested bonus. They made being a vampire a lot more interesting compare to being a werewolf

No thank you. The whole appeal to me of a werewolf is that you become a savage beast, and can't think on a high level. That you're more concerned with killing and feeding your bloodlust than anything else, and can't control yourself.

If you want an anthro wolf race, then fine, but you don't need to mess with werewolves to do it.

I think your focusing too much on the lore aspect which is probably why I disagree with you.

Not being able to do anything other than melee attacks, not being able to control your transformation and having to kill and eat or get penalized are all things that become a chore after the first few times that it happens.

I don't mind the artistic license here because they want to make them playable. FWIW in the original D&D lycanthropes weren't necessarily evil and this game actually seems to follow quite a bit of the D&D lore.

Now the nonsense that has pervaded our culture surrounding nice vampires that drive Volvos and sparkle in the daylight is too much. <.<

Werewolves were never really evil. Just misunderstood.

It's been a loonnng time since I've played D&D so I don't recall if those lycanthropes could control their transformations (I think they could or maybe it was a rage thing.), but I seem to remember they could also speak while in beast form.

The Werewolves of the companions fundamentally different then the regular werewolves. Take http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Sinding for example he suffers the usually problems related to lycanthropy an inability to control himself. Which is why he stole the ring. There are also a few live werewolves held captive by the silver hand who are hostile to everyone. What so hard to understand that Hircine doesn't feel the need to be consistant. He wouldn't have decades of companions becoming werewolves if they couldn't control the transformation. The great trick the Glenmoril Witchs played on the companions is they enjoy the benefits of lycanthropy without the draw backs inexchange Hircine claims there souls. So there you have it the reason the companions strain doesn't suffer the draw backs other lycanthropes is because Hircine wishes it.

Vampires have three bloodlines in one game alone and suddenly its a big surprise when there is more then one bloodline of werewolves. Big whoop.

But it svcks that we get to be the ones who can control it. And not the ones who suffer from drawbacks.

But it svcks that we get to be the ones who can control it. And not the ones who suffer from drawbacks.

Perhaps The companions made a special deal with Hircine?