First off, you said wolves do not kill for food? Then what exactly do they kill for? Pleasure? No. Survival. If it kills to eat food, then it means it must live. So what you said is contradictory. Also, it's established Elder Scrolls lore. Werewolves kill people because it's hardwired into their system. No control, no remorse, no hesitation. Hunt, kill, devour, survive. All for the glories of Hircine, who is the Father of Manbeasts, Prince of the Hunt and the Sacrifice of Mortals. So don't you dare compare regular wolves to werewolves because they are completely different things. In Elder Scrolls, wolves are mundane, werewolve's are not.

Secondly, who are you to try and disagree with established lore? I normally don't make a habit of arguing with twelve year olds, but tonight I will make an exception. Underworld has nothing to do with Skyrim. Different franchise, different universe. Also, Underworld had a werewolf leader. His name was William. And the Lycans had their leader, his name was Lucien. Got it? Good. And the Circle is a pack of werewolves, as Aela welcomes you to the pack. There is no need for a "leader" because the companions don't really have leaders since the days of Ysgramor, but I guess you don't pay attention to lore since you rather hack N slash your way through quests, right?

Thirdly, don't like the mechanics? Don't. Play. As. A. Werewolf. Simple. And I can give you countless folklore that states many times where people consider Lycanthropy is a curse. Since you watched Underworld, let me tell you that Michael did not lile being a werewolf at first. The wolfman, Lawrence Talbot hated being the wolf. Now in the game: Kodlak, Vilkas, Farkas, SInding. They all dislike being werewolves. Some like it, some don't. And you said way too many cons for werewolves? What cons? You can't get a good night sleep? How in the hell is that a con compared to most? Being a werewolf isn't suppose to be a little kiddie power-up where you hulk out and go on a rampage. Lycanthropy has to have balances: pros and cons. Daggerfall had pros in human and wolf form, as well as cons. Bloodmoon had pros and cons too. Skyrim has an unbalanced version. And it is a perversion of lore. TRUE lore. We all know and love. But I doubt you read anything I wrote. In any case, I'll post it anyways.

/rant.

We did not need various shout keys. Just the active effect that the totem has would be alright. For example, you can switch between totem of brotherhood and tootem of fear, but in werewolf form you are constantl having the detect life effect.

I clearly said they only kill when they need food.

Sure some people dont like being a werewolf but they became one on their own choice. Kodlak tells you this himself.

As for sidning he has no story. Beth just stuck him in their to give the Hericine people something to do. So dont even go their because a 2 minute quest didnt explain [censored] of sidnings situation and how he became a werewolf. All thats said is he killed some girl and he cant control his transformation BUT as you playing a werewolf you have complete control of your actions and that conterdicits with sidning not being able to control himself.

Am I the only person in this world that wasn't disappointed by werewolves in Skyrim?

Most werewolves in TES are so because they got infected during a chance encounter they somehow survived. Most people don't choose to become a werewolf, but have to live with the fact that they're forced to change a couple of times a month and kill innocent people. It sometimes drives them insane, if they don't kill themselves.

This is an important point concerning the werewolves in Skyrim. The Circle are a different breed of werewolves in that they rely on each other in order to maintain control over their wolf. If you read Kodlak's journal, he points out that some Cicle members cope better than others and that it's a constant struggle to remain in control. Aela and Skjor complete embrace their nature, but Vilkas and Farkas work to keep their wolves in check. Vilkas has more difficulty in this than Farkas does. The need to kill is still present in the lore and the ability to kill and feed as a wolf is still present in gameplay. However, now the player can decide how strong the will of their character is in relation to the instincts of their wolf. If you want to say your character sumbits to their instincts, there's nothing stopping you. If you want to say your character is battling their nature or has yet to come to terms with ther inhumanity, you can play that out too. I wouldn't mind seeing werebears and wild werewolves around though. As for joining Hircine/Nocturnal for the Companions and Thieves Guilds respectively. Well, you can always turn your back on them.

Werewolves may have a great natural urge to kill, but I don't recall them anywhere having to kill to survive.

There you go. Huleed backed it up. Thank you. Case closed. I enjoy being a werewolf in Skyrim, but it could of been improved greatly. But with the game mechanics, they could only do so much. I guess the dissapointment is that when we become a werewolf, we become strictly the ones in the Companion, who can control their Lycanthopy and do not suffer from lunar transformations like Sinding.

Sidning dosent tell you anything but how he didnt mean to kill the girl. He dosent tell you that he cudnt control it and he dosent transform on a full moon. The moon at his hideout stays like that and you can find him hunting anytime so full moon got nothing with him.

As for what they could have done for the werewolf they didnt. They have everything they needed here but they just stuck like a fail prototype. You damn well know that.

They kill for food to live but the way he is sayin is that they need to kill constantly to live.

@werewolf&vamp guy stop hiding behind someone else because you cant back your bs up.

Perhaps the large presence of the Silver hand and the Vigilents of Stendar explain the lack of other werebeasts from the lore?

Two large groups of hunters out there could very well hunt certain strains to extinction.

While the harsh version of the curse might have been fun to play with I do like the current version myself. It allows me to roll play some options of my own without forcing me.

It allowed them to escape the notice of the Silver hand and Vigilents of Stendar until most other's were hunted or captured. It seemed to me that the Silver hand just recently turned their attention to the Companions.

This game made werewolfs svck so bad that everyone whos played a werewolf and has a normal human mind agrees with me that they are trash here. Theres like 5 of you who have other ideas like the OPs. Saying [censored] like its Beths own lore on making werewolfs. Anyone with a pair of eyes and common sense knows thats a bunch of horse [censored].

Difficult to say. Werewolf hunters existed during Daggerfall (you'd get notes from them and get attacked by them if you're a werebeast), but we don't know how prevalent the Silver Hand is supposed to be compared to hunters of yore due to world scale and game mechanics.

Werewolves have always been rare, lore-wise. They existed, but most people would never encounter one, with some not even believing they exist. So a game on the scale of Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim (ie, very small compared to its "real" scale) will be generally wonky when it comes to the presence of werewolves and related factions. They'd either be so minor as to not be in the game (like pre-Bloodmoon Morrowind, and Oblivion), or have a greater ratio of them than there should be to make it worthwhile (like Bloodmoon and Skyrim).


Given the magical/divine nature of the disease, I'm not sure if a strain could ever be hunted to extinction. As far as I know anyway, there's nothing to stop Hircine from making more if he wants. Also, werewolves are supposed to be some of his greatest hunters, so who knows if it's even possible for normal men to hunt them all down.


Can't say I'd see it being very different, personally. There'd only be one forced transformation every 24 game days (since both Oblivion and Skyrim keep the moon phases in sync), so it would add more to the role play than it would take away, IMO. You needn't kill an innocent, going by previous games, so bandits and witches are just as fulfilling to hunt. Plus, there's Hircine's Ring which could hold off the forced transformations and bloodlust. All in all, it brings a small element of volatility to the character, which helps make for interesting stories.


I got the impression that the Silver Hand have been an ongoing problem. Farkas/Vilkas, Aela, and Skjor are quick to demonize and kill them, which I wouldn't see them doing if they haven't been trouble. The Circle may be rough around the edges, but they still have a sense of honor and wouldn't resort to slaughtering them without justification.

The Vigilants of Stendarr don't focus just on werewolves, and actually seem more interested in Daedra. Werewolves and vampires appear to be more cursory goals, being the spawn of Daedra.

Nice explanations, Huleed. Werebeast were not always so rare. A book or more likely NPC if I recall correctly, from Morrowind stated that because they were so dangerous hard to kill that there was a crusade against them, hundreds if not thosands of years prior which greatly depeleted their numbers which is why many people do not believe in them in the third/fourth era time period. Sorry, I can't recall the source. Individual groups like The Silver Hand and The Vigilants of Stendarr would not get very far in their quest to wipe them all out in my opinion. (and just because other strains like WereBears aren't in the game doesn't mean they have been wiped out as games can't include EVERY piece of lore. They exist in lore and thought, just not on screen. Yet.) We witnessed firsthand how the Companions handily shredded them and there are bound to be other packs or communities of similar strength. Aela wasn't being modest when she said they are the greatest hunters in the land. My thoughts are that even the humblest Werebeast is very dangerous to any single man or mer and silver isn't exactly the Kyptonite for them as it is in other media. In the suspect event any strain or Werebeast in general were ever to be pushed to the brink of extiction I think Hircine would personally intervene. His titles include Father and Guardian of his "children" after all.

While on the whole I agree, there are a few little points I am wondering about.

Sindig, in the Ill Met by Moonlight quest, doesn't need to kill to survive but does have uncontrollable urges to do murder around people even out of his beast form. Many werewolves are called "feral" by the Circle, and it's the Circle, I think, that bothers you.

While I agree that I think the "have to kill or be in pain" thing from Bloodmoon is cool and interesting, the Circle have a special ritual to induce the ability to transform at will. While this still effects people's minds according to Farkas, Vilkas and Kodlak, it may be that the nature of the ritual prevents this necessity. Just a thought as to a plot reason why that gameplay element would be removed.

Also, on a gameplay level, since all transformations are intentional, the tension from the compulsory Bloodmoon version would not really fit. Which also ties with the unique nature of the changes in the Companions.

@Greed: it has to be fun to play because it's a video game. That's part of why they are better than other media. It has to be interesting AND fun. Also, it's not a curse to everyone. Aela and Skjor don't seem to find it so.

While on the whole I agree, there are a few little points I am wondering about.

Sindig, in the Ill Met by Moonlight quest, doesn't need to kill to survive but does have uncontrollable urges to do murder around people even out of his beast form. Many werewolves are called "feral" by the Circle, and it's the Circle, I think, that bothers you. That's part of why they are better than other media. It has to be interesting AND fun. Also, it's not a curse to everyone. Aela and Skjor don't seem to find it so.

How do we know that? There is no proof that tells us Sinding does not kill to survive. And also, the whole kill to wake up healthy only applies to werewolves when they are in their beast form.