PS3 Release for Dawnguard #33

Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:54 pm

Also, for what it's worth, supporting 3 different hardware platforms and testing all of it is a lot of work. I'm not trying to be an apologist, but it's important to understand that their undertaking is nontrivial.

All your points are logical and well thought out, but this one here is really just a lame excuse. Yes it's nontrivial but at the same time it could have been avoided by doing it the right way years ago. Other large companies do the right way for large games by either not releasing it on platforms not capable of handling it, which we've time and time again when games have a lead platform either it be Xbox and more so when PS3 is the lead platform, or build each version from the ground up side-by-side. Rockstar was one of the companies that thought of doing a lead platform when they did a timed exclusive with GTA4, but they didn't. Then again, they've been doing games on Sony platform longer than Microsoft (excluding PC).

The bottom line is that they could have avoided this by PROPERLY coding the game for PS3 instead of doing a lazy port for it. They didn't which shows to us that they didn't care that they didn't.

They might be working on it, but they've given NO signs that they are putting forth the proper amount of effort into the endeavor especially when they've pumped out 3 DLC's in 6 months. That just shows me that they're focusing resources into other stuff and not enough into fixing their mistakes.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:23 am

The proper thing to do in the software space when target hardware is too limited is to cancel the SKU. Bethesda chose to charge PS3 users the same $60 as every other platform so the entire 'the PS3 is hard' argument falls completely apart and especially once you are multiple releases in and should damn well know better.

Don't want to/can't develop a PS3 port? No problem. Just don't. Once you are out there lying in order to secure mind-share and shelf-space...deal with the justified consequences of such a money-grubbing decision.

edit: I should also note that for many of us the PS3 is just a platform for which we hold no loyalty so this is not some platform war cause. We just hate being lied to and wasting money.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:43 pm

Well, looks like Bethesda is going to continue their tradition of neglecting the PS3 copy of their games.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
I was dumb enough to actually believe you when you said the PS3 version was going to work this time. well played.

I have been very quiet about this issue for too long, but this is the last straw, I am pissed off.
Once again you have stolen from thousands of people, and once again you will refuse to remedy it or even apologize for it. You have no morals. lowly crooks

steal: the illegal act taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent

didn't you purchase the game, the correct word is swindle, and even that word is not correct for this situation as they havent offered the DLC for the PS3 users as of yet.
In this case the correct sentence would be "once again you have dissapointed thousands of people"
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:21 am

didn't you purchase the game

Nope. I bought a license to play Skyrim on PS3. The disc and platform should be irrelevant according to most-all EULAs. :biggrin:
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:31 pm

steal: the illegal act taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent

didn't you purchase the game, the correct word is swindle, and even that word is not correct for this situation as they havent offered the DLC for the PS3 users as of yet.
In this case the correct sentence would be "once again you have dissapointed thousands of people"

Please don't judge me on the semantics, my first language is not English. Either way it's more than dissapointing. Not only do they not release DLC, but the base game broken. I paid the same amount as the people who are enjoying Skyrim on their Xbox, yet I get the inferior quality product, plus no DLC. I would call that stealing, or, as you say "swindling". Either way it is of questionable morality.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:09 am

Not to repeat what others have said, as I'm sure the following has been said at some point in this discussion (probably more than once), but just to point out a few things:

1)There have been a few people that have quipped that Bethesda "doesn't seem to care about this issue". Here's the brass tacks: they are a business. Anything that causes them to accrue less money than they otherwise would is going to be something they care very much about. They really, really want your money and will gladly take it if given the opportunity to do so. Consider that Bethesda and Sony are probably undergoing a rather contentious relationship right now, and for Bethesda to tell us what the actual problem is (which, from what I can gather from the outside looking in, is memory constraint issues), it may be a PR issue for Bethesda to do that. Those types of discussions probably have to stay internal. This is a very large company and a fairly large game studio with millions on the line here.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that what is being projected outside the company (silence) is not necessarily indicative of what's going on internally. I'm sure there is quite a bit of (heated) discussion going on internally right now, and a lot of it we will never be privy to because it's business. But saying that they "don't care" is naive from a financial standpoint.

2)Also, for what it's worth, supporting 3 different hardware platforms and testing all of it is a lot of work. I'm not trying to be an apologist, but it's important to understand that their undertaking is nontrivial.

@1-Fair points, but what if they don't?

Let me clarify my question. What if they DON'T want the PS3 customer's cash, beyond the initial $60 pop at release? What if in fact they never even bothered with a profit projection for a PS3-platform revenue stream beyond the 11/11/11 release and never even considered bringing DLC to the PS3 in any form other than a GotY edition far down the road(which they could hit PS3 users twice for full price).

Lot of supposition there wasn't it? Same with you too, to be honest. Just saying.

@2-They should have not taken on the task if they weren't up to it. I firmly refuse to believe no one at Bethesda said that there were serious issues with the PS3 version before launch. But ultimately that voice of reason was shouted down so the company could play-play at being a real multi-platform developer and rake in the green on the much hyped 11/11/11.

If Beth. can only handle working on the 360, that's all they should work on. And i leave PC out of it 'cause the PC community seems to have a better grasp on the game than Bethesda, as they take the have finished games given to them and turn them into real masterpieces.

Well, looks like Bethesda is going to continue their tradition of neglecting the PS3 copy of their games.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
I was dumb enough to actually believe you when you said the PS3 version was going to work this time. well played.

I have been very quiet about this issue for too long, but this is the last straw, I am pissed off.
Once again you have stolen from thousands of people, and once again you will refuse to remedy it or even apologize for it. You have no morals. lowly crooks

You mean millions my friend. ~4 million PS3 copies sold to date.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:20 pm

I'm more surprised that people even care anymore, so many new great games have been released.

And get this, they actually work!
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:18 pm

Lot of supposition there wasn't it? Same with you too, to be honest. Just saying.

Point taken. Your argument is sound as well; perhaps they never intended to support the PS3 going forward, or perhaps half-way through their DLC development cycle, they determined that throwing all of their resources at the 360 and PC platforms would result in a higher net gain than diverting those resources to fixing the PS3. It might work out better for them monetarily following this strategy. I think both of our arguments are sound; but saying that they "just don't care", without any qualifiers associated with it, is what i was pointing out as being naive.

@2-They should have not taken on the task if they weren't up to it. I firmly refuse to believe no one at Bethesda said that there were serious issues with the PS3 version before launch. But ultimately that voice of reason was shouted down so the company could play-play at being a real multi-platform developer and rake in the green on the much hyped 11/11/11.

Oh, I'm with you, and I agree. I guess the point I was really trying to get across is that, as a developer, I have a measure of sympathy for them. That doesn't excuse their failure here.

Once again you have stolen from thousands of people


I have played and beat the main quest of the game on the PS3, 360, and PC at least once. The PS3 had some slightly lower framerates and slightly longer load times, along with a few quirks that seemed common across all platforms. I think "stealing" is a bit melodramatic, I still got a 200-hour game out of my $60. /shrug
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:04 pm

I'm more surprised that people even care anymore, so many new great games have been released.

And get this, they actually work!

It's less about caring, and not letting us be forgotten so they can just sweep the whole debacle under the rug when Fallout 4 comes out. What we want is for Bethesda to know that they can't just let it blow over (at least not easily).
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:11 am

I'm more surprised that people even care anymore, so many new great games have been released.

And get this, they actually work!

I've been playing the hell out of Okami HD when it was released, and AC3/liberation.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:10 pm

steal: the illegal act taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent

didn't you purchase the game, the correct word is swindle, and even that word is not correct for this situation as they havent offered the DLC for the PS3 users as of yet.
In this case the correct sentence would be "once again you have dissapointed thousands of people"

No swindled is a good choice of words because of what was promised and told to everybody about how the PS3 version got a lot of attention (it certainly seems that it didn't), that it runs on par with the Xbox (it doesn't), and the differences between the two are so minor that nobody would notice (completely untrue).
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:33 pm

I'm more surprised that people even care anymore, so many new great games have been released.

And get this, they actually work!

None that I'm interested in unfortunately.

AC3? I just don't care for the series.
Dishonored? Not going to pay anymore money to Bethesda.

I'm ready to go back to Call of Duty.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:55 pm

None that I'm interested in unfortunately.

AC3? I just don't care for the series.
Dishonored? Not going to pay anymore money to Bethesda.

I'm ready to go back to Call of Duty.

I got dishonored..pre-owned..from a friend xD I'm going to go trade it in soon..it's not really to my liking.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:33 am

I got dishonored..pre-owned..from a friend xD I'm going to go trade it in soon..it's not really to my liking.
i would not even buy it used it looks rather boring lol my only care is to get at least 1 dlc for skyri on ps3 cause my pc can only run oblivion and my pc cant be upgraded. so bethesda needs to get there act together or just give up gaming career.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:50 pm

i would not even buy it used it looks rather boring lol my only care is to get at least 1 dlc for skyri on ps3 cause my pc can only run oblivion and my pc cant be upgraded. so bethesda needs to get there act together or just give up gaming career.

I didn't buy it lol my friend did, he beat it asked if I wanted it and I said sure, he just handed it to me at work and I played idk.....a few hours of it haven't touched it since then.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:02 pm

I didn't buy it lol my friend did, he beat it asked if I wanted it and I said sure, he just handed it to me at work and I played idk.....a few hours of it haven't touched it since then.
lol its sad when you get a free game and it bores you lol
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:31 pm

lol its sad when you get a free game and it bores you lol

lmao yeah, I'm going to trade it tomorrow after work, and be done with it.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:31 pm

You know, alot of people say if it's not cost effective then Bethesda would be better off cancelling work on dawnguard and any other DLC that would work on PS3 with a little more money.

But at this point there are starting to be more people swearing off bethesda.

If bethesda were to put in that extra cash now, it could keep their profits up later, simply by keeping lost customers, unless they swear off sony just as sony users have sworn off beth

Rather than thinking, I put in money now and make money immediately after, why not think spend some now and make some a little later? As in, investment lol

People are very angry with bethesda and if they can't manage to get things working they'll stay angry and stay away from everything with the word bethesda on it whether or not it's as the publisher or game designer.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:51 pm

Thing is they failed to really do the labor 3 (4?) years ago. When issues were right in their face with FO3. They also probably knew before that with feeback from 4j studios and what they thought of their engine on the PS3.

But they haven't made any real progress on this platform in that time, so what miracle do we expect now?

As for them caring or not, you are certainly reframing it from how most people are using the phrase. Sure, from a fiscal financial standpoint they CARE very much because yeah they want to keep the lights on and pay their shareholders.

But what we're talking about is CARE like new endings for ME3 caring. When the fans say 'Hey you really effed us over' and the developers who CARE respond, 'Damn - we are sorry you're dissappointed and here is what we have done to make reparations.'
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:05 am

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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:47 pm

Currently I'm bored with Skyrim, you can only lather rinse repeat the ongoing quests so many times :( and I just don't fancy doing the main quest with a new character again (3 is enough)

I've picked up a GOTY edition of Oblivion for £2 so I've gone back to playing that for now with the Knights of the Nine and SI to play at last, but once the new TR comes out early March if Skyrim still has no DLC then I'm afraid it will be consigned to the cupboard to gather dust, I may at some stage in the future pick up a pre-owned GOTY edition if there ever is one. But then by that time I expect Uncharted 4 will be out :D

One thing I saw someone post here or elsewhere got me thinking and giggling. They suggested everyone with a PS3 should only buy the GOTY and future releases as used copies - if we all do that then who's being nominated to be the one to buy that first copy at full price that we can then all pass around?


So basically what I'm saying is as far as I'm concerned - Bethesda the clocks ticking on Skyrim
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:38 pm

Anyone noticed that Pete Hines hasn't been on Twitter...
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:39 pm

Thing is they failed to really do the labor 3 (4?) years ago. When issues were right in their face with FO3. They also probably knew before that with feeback from 4j studios and what they thought of their engine on the PS3.

But they haven't made any real progress on this platform in that time, so what miracle do we expect now?

As for them caring or not, you are certainly reframing it from how most people are using the phrase. Sure, from a fiscal financial standpoint they CARE very much because yeah they want to keep the lights on and pay their shareholders.

But what we're talking about is CARE like new endings for ME3 caring. When the fans say 'Hey you really effed us over' and the developers who CARE respond, 'Damn - we are sorry you're dissappointed and here is what we have done to make reparations.'

Agreed. Sure, Bethesda is a business but how does that excuse them from bad morals and ethics; how does that excuse them from caring and supporting their fans like many other developers out there do?

The way the PS3 community has been treated is mind boggling, and to think that we deserve this is even more ridiculous. It's not all because of the fact the DLCs have been delayed, but the fact that we've been outright lied to and tricked into thinking that maybe Bethesda did take the time to ensure a top notch PS3 version, which we know they obviously didn't.

It's always great to see other developers taking the time to apologize and show support for their fans.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:37 pm

Anyone noticed that Pete Hines hasn't been on Twitter...

Oh yeah lol. Tweet has gone to ground. I doubt he'll say anything until Fall Out 4 buzz really starts to kick off, just like Todd Howard.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:35 pm

Not to repeat what others have said, as I'm sure the following has been said at some point in this discussion (probably more than once), but just to point out a few things:

There have been a few people that have quipped that Bethesda "doesn't seem to care about this issue". Here's the brass tacks: they are a business. Anything that causes them to accrue less money than they otherwise would is going to be something they care very much about. They really, really want your money and will gladly take it if given the opportunity to do so. Consider that Bethesda and Sony are probably undergoing a rather contentious relationship right now, and for Bethesda to tell us what the actual problem is (which, from what I can gather from the outside looking in, is memory constraint issues), it may be a PR issue for Bethesda to do that. Those types of discussions probably have to stay internal. This is a very large company and a fairly large game studio with millions on the line here.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that what is being projected outside the company (silence) is not necessarily indicative of what's going on internally. I'm sure there is quite a bit of (heated) discussion going on internally right now, and a lot of it we will never be privy to because it's business. But saying that they "don't care" is naive from a financial standpoint.

Also, for what it's worth, supporting 3 different hardware platforms and testing all of it is a lot of work. I'm not trying to be an apologist, but it's important to understand that their undertaking is nontrivial.
Not necessarily true if they deem that the cost/time to make the PS3 version work isn't worth the revenue it will bring in.
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